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Imperial_Commander
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That would be awesome, actually. And...perhaps this is the last time the issue should be put forth on this thread but...and even though it's probably not the truth, maybe it'll console Brian a little bit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qKcJF4fOPs |
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vashfanatic
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Yeah, I agree, though it made more sense back when Bleach was being cheesy awesome fun. Once it started to take itself seriously, the song felt increasingly out of place. And the cuss-filled rap version on the first movie's soundtrack? Blech! |
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teh*darkness
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I have long thought that if Korea wants to seriously try and export its animation, it needs to follow Japan's lead and animate the more popular properties that its native comic artists are putting out. I realize most of the ones I own and love are getting old now, but some are still running and getting close to finishing. If they animated Rebirth, I'd buy that up in a second. And it's just emo enough to appeal to the Twilight fangirls(-boys???) with the whole love triangle, but has great fight scenes and plenty of violence for those who like non-sparkly vampires.
Just a thought. |
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agila61
 Posts: 3213 Location: NE Ohio |
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So if it becomes a trend, it'll sooner or later burn itself out. |
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LordByronius
ANN Columnist
 Posts: 861 Location: Philippe for America! He is five. |
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yeah i totally meant to write Princess Lover, not Princess Knight.
naked Tezuka people never resemble anything approaching erotic. i watched most of his Cleopatra movie. i can attest to this. |
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Eloande
Posts: 11 Location: South Cackalacky |
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I'm very disappointed nobody pointed out the absolutely pointless and gratuitous amounts of moe being shoved into shows nowadays in the place of a story. :/ THAT's my biggest turn-off about an anime; when the only means of propelling the episodes is cute girls. (ie; K-ON!, Strike Witches)
Sadly, most anime that comes out nowadays seems to revolve around moe and echhi. *sigh* |
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The King of Harts
 Posts: 6712 Location: Mount Crawford, Virginia |
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What? I'm curious as to how many people actually tally the shows up before they make this statement. I guess it's a good thing I have Google so I can look it up myself. Now then, lets see... Going by the cookie cutter idea of what most people complain to be ecchi and moe, I count 32 shows of that type. Now I may be off on that count since I don't watch every show that comes out and can only go by the pictures and word-of-mouth, but I'll deal with that later, so for now it's 32. Between Spring of 2010 and Winter of 2010/11, there will be 97 total TV shows that air. That's 33% and not enough to be "most" of the shows. Now then, just to drive my point home, lets assume I was off by ten shows and there are actually 42 moe/ecchi shows. That's 43% of the shows and still not most. In order for moe/ecchi shows to reach to 51% and even be considered most (and that's pushing it), there would have to be 49 shows, and I'm pretty damn confident I wasn't off by 17 when I counted. So I'll say it again: What? |
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Top Gun
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Nice to see the "Number One" love in here. Nothing like cheesy 80s-esque rock anthem goodness.
Brian's response to the hentai question provided some food for thought, as the general fan mindet he described seems to be the exact opposite of my own preferences. I won't deny occasionally looking at the occasional "material" out there, but when I do, I make it a specific point to avoid images/manga of characters from series I've seen, or at least series I enjoy. (I honestly find most Eva doujin out there to be more hilarious than anything else, given how ridiculously out-of-character everyone usually acts in it.  ) There's just something that feels really skeevy to me about looking at porn of characters whose adventures I've followed along with, whom I know well enough to almost view them as friends. I put it on the same creepy level as taking hidden-camera pictures of a lifelong friend in the shower. I'd far rather just look at Generic Animu Girl #57 than someone like Faye Valentine, as there isn't any emotional attachment to the former. I guess if most Japanese otaku were like me, the model that Brian describes would be doomed before it began.
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Sailor S
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It's easier to bash moe and fanservice and blame them for all the troubles anime had, has and ever will have instead of coming up with a good argument. But, I'm sure you know that what you've said will fall on deaf ears. Sadly, some of those deaf ears work for this site too. |
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tankerboy
 Posts: 81 Location: Chicago |
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I agree about unresolved endings. However, I believe Air TV's ending makes sense but is couched in hybrid Shinto/Buddhist beliefs that, understandably, are not too familiar outside of Japan. (I have a jpg of notes gathered around the web that attempt to clarify Air if anyone would like to see it.)
Although I find series built around fanservice usually aren't very interesting, I find it easy to ignore in the one's I do follow. The King of Harts is correct about the constant kvetching about fanservice - As Eddie Murphy said, "If you don't like what you're watching, turn the damn thing off! |
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Sunday Silence
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I can think of better ways to spend $75 than on 24 episodes of a TV series. Hookers and blow ain't two of them. |
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YotaruVegeta
 Posts: 1061 Location: New York |
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I don't have as much of a problem with moe and blatant fanservice-y shows because I don't watch them. Strike Witches? Don't watch it. K-On? Never watched it? Those other "moe" shows? Don't pay attention to it.
Some people like to go running in the direction of what annoys them, just to say "I'm ANNOYED!" |
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Kyaa the Catlord
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Oh god, why did you have to remind me of the Princess Lover ovas? The anime wasn't so bad it caused a tumor, but those OVAs weren't any good at all.
Sigh, there's bad porn and then there is BAD PORN. |
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Dargonxtc
 Posts: 4463 Location: Nc5xd7+ スターダストの海洋 |
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Naw, Armageddon was a pile of crap. It had it's points, but mostly those points were just how that it could have been brought about in a much better fashion. On the other hand, it is a an interesting premise, but not recommended to new "attractivie's".
I rather enjoyed the venture of My Beautiful Girl Mari, but it was flawed none the less. More so than my usual tolerance, but it was more interesting than anything (even if it was an advanced Flash) that was coming out at the time. So I guess it does have a special place in my heart about it. |
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Anime World Order
 Posts: 390 Location: Florida |
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I'll go ahead and be the one person to object to the contention that the ending of the Area 88 OAV was a bad one. It does end with something built up as a climax not being explicitly resolved on-screen, such that your immediate response is one of disappointment. But if you let the ending sink in for a few seconds, if you think about it...that resolution is actually irrelevant since the protagonist's emotional journey is complete. If you've never seen Area 88, the most contemporary high-profile equivalent to this type of ending I can come up with is the ending of the American movie Inception. [Disclaimer: if any of you take the fact that I said that movie's name as a cue to start talking about it, please remember there are other sections of the Internet better suited to that.]
Personally, I feel that the ending of the original Area 88 manga is much worse and certainly less elegantly crafted. I probably talked about it four years ago. I will agree on not liking the ending of Area 88 TV, but such is the result of low ratings. I don't even need to check that link to know that what I said at the time was "it feels less like a full-on ending and more like the 13th episode of a 39 episode show." Still, while it's certainly true that bad endings might just be the number one problem I have with anime to the point where I now almost never even bother starting to watch something until I receive assurances that the ending is worthwhile, I don't know if they'd be what "pull me out of the story" or "distracts me if done wrong." I think those sorts of distractions tend to pop up in the beginning or middle of a story instead. Case in point:
While I also do my best to avoid such obviously moe-centric fare, I will admit that the presence of what are generally accepted to be "moe" characters in a series that is not clearly defined as such a thing does "pull me out of the story." It's actually becoming rather common across several titles, but I'll throw out an example from a few years back: Devil May Cry. The anime added a cute little girl to live with Dante, clean up after him, and chastise him for being lazy or whatever. Whenever I see this sort of thing, I'm no longer thinking about what's going on in the anime itself. I start thinking things like "why is this character even here? It's just a calculated, cynical grab at trying to appeal to that sector of the Japanese otaku market, isn't it?" instead. I really like Macross Frontier, Fullmetal Alchemist, most of Soul Eater, and so on. But they're also so carefully crafted, so focused in marking off every item on the "gotta have this in the show to appeal to group A, this type of character needs to be present for group B, make this kind of episode for group C" checklist of otaku desires that it prevents me from getting completely pulled in. I know WHY they do it--it's because anime fandom is so splintered that it's hard to get everyone watching something otherwise--but in trying to appeal to every niche, you run the very real risk of ultimately appealing to none of them. To preemptively clarify, it's not simply a matter of targeting die-hard fans that distracts me. It's specifically the "design by committee" practice of trying to target multiple types of fans that don't have much in common. It's the difference in design approach between the recent Gundam television series (SEED, 00, etc) that cast the net wide as far as "who is the intended viewing audience of this and what do they DEMAND to see?" goes, and the current OAV series Gundam Unicorn that utilizes a more traditional approach to design. |
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