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Momokochan
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But, you know who is happy and on the streets? The monsters who murdered Junko Furuta, plus the guy who is a cannibal.
Jail system everywhere is so fudged up. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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I don't see how equating some civil IP stuff today is relatable to a botched sentencing from decades ago other than the fact it takes place in the same country. I mean, if Japan had one single police station and one single judge, maybe, but it's kind of a big country in population. The "hypocrisy of the system" you're trying to conjure up doesn't work here. |
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Polycell
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Those uploaders you dismiss are the reason fansubbing currently-airing anime's even possible.
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EyeOfPain
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And yet all four shows mentioned in the article were being legally simulcast, making the act rather pointless. |
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Preacherofdoom
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actually, that's incorrect. i can attest to the fansubs having better translation sometimes than the legal streaming options. it all depends on the fansub group. naruto releases by taka fansubs for instance is definitely better than what you'll read on crunchyroll and hulu's streams. i'm assuming they both use the same translated subs. i did a direct comparison to crunchyroll a year or two ago and the taka fansubs were so much better. crunchyroll had more literal translations and awkwardly worded sentences at times. hardly pointless. that's the difference between a fan doing it for free out of a love of the anime and a paid translator coldly translating the words and not really giving a shit. it's just a job to them and they do the min of what's asked of them. the fansubbers get paid nothing and are doing it out of pure fandom. there are speed sub groups that just translate it literally fast to get it out asap online. the quality groups like taka do a better translation than even the legal streaming services offer. so we can break the law to get the higher quality product by downloading fansubbed anime or obey the law and accept the mediocre product by legally streaming. i know which one i choose. i usually just wait for the dvd/bluray release, but if i have to watch a current anime i will download the best fansubs available. |
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EyeOfPain
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And that would be a reasonable argument, if it weren't entirely opinion and self-justification for theft. |
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Blanchimont
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Because of region issues, of those four titles, only Nagi no Asukara was/is available for me to stream legally. Though I still opted to watch even that show through alternate means. Think of it what you want.
...Hmm, I can live with those. If a show is not available (Funi), blocked (Crunchy), plain just not available (Atelier Escha & Logy), censored (Seikoku no Dragonar (though that's blocked by default here as it's on Funi)) or stream interrupts every few minutes (Log Horizon, only show I've tried with Crunchy so far, though having subscription), I will find other ways to watch. BDs/DVDs are where this issue also pops up in a somewhat similar manner. Even though I import a fair number of shows, I almost never play the discs themselves. Not only because they're unlikely to contain subs, but mainly because it's simply a lot more convenient for me to watch the available rips of them, which often also are of comparable quality. |
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Violynne
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Charging a fan base $80 for 2 or 3 episodes isn't considered theft? The anime industry seems to enjoy charging a steep price to remove the steam from edited broadcasts. |
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EyeOfPain
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For a commercial product? No. |
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Cptn_Taylor
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This is very debatable. Fact is Japanese anime fans are being robbed "legally". Given the chance they will buy the least costly version which means reverse importing. That's the reason American anime publishers are being given the short end of the stick these days. And when Japanese companies sell to american audiences, they try the same kind of legal robbery (cough cough *Aniplex*).
Tell me if the Japanese were so happy about these prices why do they continually upload anime on the web ? Hell several days ago the whole Gundam Unicorn series was uploaded on the internet. And I mean the whole 7 freaking blu-ray discs. And you know what ? 98% of the people downloading said series were Japanese fans. The idea that Japanese otaku are happy about the economic reality of anime is just stupid brainwashing. Japanese customers aren't in the least happy about the price of media over there. And it's one of the reasons why they resort to sharing on the web. |
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EyeOfPain
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Who's saying the primary market is happy about the prices? The companies on the production committee put up the money needed to produce these shows, and it's their prerogative to charge whatever they feel the DVD/BDs are worth. You, or any other consumer, have the right not to pay those prices, but that doesn't give anybody the right to not compensate the creators for a product that they are clearly enjoying. Plus, it's been shown that lower retail prices in Japan don't significantly increase unit sales. The people stealing and trading video files on the Internet will likely do so even if discs are sold at lower cost. |
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Cptn_Taylor
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What I'm saying is that Japanese otaku upload and download as much anime as years ago western fans did. Which is pretty ironic considering just how available anime is in Japan. Not only on physical media, but on free tv, on second hand physical discs etc... So why are they doing it ? We're not talking about 1 or 2 people that upload anime. Hundreds of people are doing it. Are they getting paid by the Yakuza for doing it ? Japanese otaku spend money on merchandise, you know the kind of thing that can't be downloaded. It seems they get more value out of figs and other merchandise than simple video discs.
When the Patlabor OVAs were first published decades ago they proved very succesful. More so than any other ova up to that time. And you want to know why ? Because they were sold at half the price of what standard ovas were going for. So this whole idea about anime demand being inelastic is just without proof. The problem with modern anime is that it is designed to sell to just a niche. That niche is estimated and they price the sets accordingly. Demand is inelastic not because of anime, but because the powers that be don't want to reach to a greater audience. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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Sure they could lower the price, but would everything sell well enough to cover the costs of production? I highly doubt Watamote or Aku no Hana would have tripled their sales just for being cheaper. Patlabor also happens to be one of the best OVAs of that era...which kind of makes me think of Pixy hentai anime today and why we never see sales figures for that stuff. Pixy/Lilith market their DVDs at half the cost of other hentai anime, but I think they can get away with that because they're more or less covered by phenomenal game sales. But without actual sales numbers of those OVAs, it's hard to do anything but speculate. Do they sell more because they tend to be better productions, or do they sell more because they're cheaper?
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Violynne
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You're misreading what was stated in the article if you took away this price reduction was industry wide. It wasn't. Only a few titles were reduced in price, and none of them were current series or popular titles. The highest reduction I saw was 40% off the original price, which didn't help when the other singles sold didn't make a complete collection. It's appropriate to call this an experiment because the way it was done ensured its failure, if only to claim "We tried." |
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DavetheUsher
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[citation needed] lol everything I've seen suggest the Japanese are far more likely to buy something than Americans are. Movies can come out months later in Japan compared to elsewhere because piracy isn't a concern for them. Japan's way more upstanding about that kinda thing than America and has fewer pirates. |
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