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Animerican14
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Whoa whoa whoa WHOA. There was actually a fully re-imagined manga adaptation of Crime and Punishment? The only one that I was ever aware of was Osamu Tezuka's own adaptation some many years back.... really am surprised that I never heard about this before.
Wonder how close it is to the original story as far as the various character relationships and spirituality goes. (I also wonder how the heck they could pack a satisfying adaptation into a 1 1/2 to 3 hour format.) Is it even any good? The only other "modern" reinterpretation I heard about it was the live-action "Crime and Punishment in Suburbia", and I haven't heard good stuff about that... |
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enurtsol
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An adaptation of a Western literature? Are they using Western actors?
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Animerican14
Posts: 963 Location: Saint Louis, MO |
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You know, I kinda have to ask you this: why does it seem that every one of your posts ends with ? That's kinda of like... your signature, or something. 
Anyway, so.... yeah. Been reading through the scans of the manga--- I'm now on Chapter 12--- and it's actually pretty good! The murder somehow still hasn't happened yet, but there's been a wonderful amount of context and lead-up to the inevitable event. Plus, it's really kept the character relationships in tact thus far, yet has suitably updated and contextualized them in modern Japanese society. It's also put some exciting little twists on the scenario, yet has so far stayed true to the core themes and ideology of Raskolnikov. It really says something that, although I've already read Crime and Punishment twice, I literally can't stop reading C&P: A Falsified Romance now... Hope whatever form the film adaptation will take, hope it'll be a good one! Be prepared for Light-like monologues, though, especially if it becomes animated. |
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frubam
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It's definitely an excellent manga(I've never had the pleasure of reading the original novels) and I very intrigued by this adaptation. I think an anime would allow for better characterization than a live-action movie, but a live-action tv drama akin to Liar Game would be just as good =03.
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Animerican14
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Oh, C&P is only one novel, not novels.... though I'm sure a modern author could've easily decided to divide the content of C&P across 2 or 3 books, since it's not exactly a light read.
... Yeah, I'm being kinda anal here. That, and I'm a Dostoevsky/Russian Literature die-hard (heck, my avatar is based off a character from The Brothers Karamazov!). |
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Lightning Leo
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Are you... openly admitting to what is basically theft? I hope I'm just misreading this... 
Anywho's, I've always been interested in Dostoevsky's works since I've heard so much about them, but I've never availed myself of the opportunity to read them (though I have read some interesting critiques). I had started into Anna Karenina a little but had difficulty getting into it. |
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Animerican14
Posts: 963 Location: Saint Louis, MO |
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Um. Er. *thinks of the dozens upon dozens/hundreds upon hundreds/thousands upon thousands that have used fansub groups or watched fansubs in the past for the hottest new shows.* Huh. Isn't it kinda strange to be singling me out on this? 
Seriously, I'm not one of those weeaboos that extends his hands into all sorts of anime or manga reading from scans; I simply don't have the time or care to put all the time into that. Really, there are far bigger fish to fry if you want to get uppity with someone about what is technically piracy (and while my stance has laxed within the past few years, I'm no Great Supporter of it myself). But considering how this hasn't been licensed yet, how it may not ever, and how I am obviously very much in love with Dostoevsky's stuff... it's kind of instinctual to go and read it as soon as possible, you know? I mean, if someone was in love with some literary classic that's well-known-yet-still-not-too-well-known as you'd like it to be (at least not as much as a Shakespeare work or The Count of Monte Cristo), and that was put in a manga format... would you really wait an indeterminate amount of time for it to be released officially in English? Now it's getting a movie, though, maybe someone will take notice and actually release this here. Which I'd be happy to get and pay with my own money. But considering the fall of Tokyopop, things don't look too encouraging here for still somewhat-niche titles on the manga-side of the industry... *Russian Lit Nerd Note: Anna Karenina is by Tolstoy, not Dostoevsky* Last edited by Animerican14 on Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:58 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Jessica Hart
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Gankutsuou and Romeo x Juliet have shown anime/manga adaptions of literature can work wonders.
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Myaow
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The Dostoevsky novel I think would make the best anime is The Idiot, but you can bet that I am totally on board for this! C&P is a terrific book (definitely one of my favorite Russian novels ever, and certainly my favorite Dostoevsky), and I bet it'll make a great movie, even if the setting is changed.
I hope it's animated, though! Combining one of my favorite authors with my favorite medium would make me so happy. (A little Polish animator named Piotr Dumala did a short animated film based on Crime and Punishment a few years ago- it's called Zbrodnia I Kara - and it's certainly very pretty, with a paint-on-glass-type style similar to Aleksandr Petrov's.) Looking forward to this! |
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Psycho_Despair
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I barely noticed that Death Note has a similar plot to Crime and Punishment but Death Note is a bit more unrealistic (the magic killing notebook and shinigami.)
Where can I find an english copy of this novel? |
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Myaow
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Crime and Punishment can be bought in English almost anywhere! Several translations exist, and if you want to be picky about that, my favorite is the Jesse Coulson one (you can order it for a mere cent right here.) A lot of people have compared C&P to Death Note; I don't know if I really buy it, though. The main characters and their situations are vastly different. Light is a privileged, brilliant person; Raskolnikov is so unexceptional in every way that he is practically superfluous to society- the decision to cast him as a hikkikomori in the manga is a rather interesting and fitting one. Also, Light gets over his "is this right or wrong?" dilemma within the first few chapters and gets right down to the mind games; for Raskolnikov, this question takes up the entire book! |
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Psycho_Despair
Posts: 376 Location: East of Eden |
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Thanks, I think this might be my second time reading a book/novel from a Russian Author. Well I now the main characters are different. I was about to say, "but the similarities I was pointing to was that they have a similar goal of getting rid of the useless (parasitical, devious) people." But I read your post carefully again, to make sure I wasn't making an ass of myself. Thanks for pointing that out, the difference between them. |
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enurtsol
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I try not to take things too seriously. Particularly when I'm pointing out inconsistencies.
If they could do the same with Akira, despite all the changes to "suitably update and contextualize them in modern" American society, then nobody should be complaining. Even when they're using Western actors. And yes, I've read my Dostoyevsky.
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MaxSouth
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akira kurasawa made "the idiot" (by dostoyevsky) back in 1950s...
it was definitely a notable, important work... even though it got mixed reviews since, obviously, there is some director's input from Kurasawa in choosing scenes and setting accents on the plot, which had to vastly downsized to fit into cinema film time frame... the dispute among culturologists on matter whether kurosawa grasped the spirit of dostoyevsky there, and whether he had to or not, still continues... most of dostoyevsky's works are so complex and intricate that it is maybe a waste to make them into smaller forms... so if this "crime and punishment" will be quite detailed animated series, then it might work better... if this adaptation will be "live" one, then choice of actors should not necessary depend on nationality... russian actors might be best suited for this, abstractly speaking, but the adaptation has to relate to japan, its society and has its own colour, so it might be fine with eastern, japanese actors (kurasawa's way)... |
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Lightning Leo
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Derp, my bad, mixed up Russian authors. It was awhile back, so I guess I misremembered who I was reading.
As for the scanlating thing, my apologies. I had just come from another thread where a buncha snot-nosed punks were complaining about why they deserved anime/manga for free. I was quite inconsolably peeved. Animators and mangaka are such hard-working people, really, sacrificing normal social lives and working against desperate deadlines for bottom-of-the-barrel pay, only to ultimately have their works grossly and mindlessly digested by immature, self-entitled brats who scoff at the idea of spending a dime on these things, and then casually tossing aside their playtoys like used whores. And then they've got the gall to get on the net, and not only brag about it, but say that somehow they're morally justified. It just... well. Anyways, I imagine anyone possessing such a keen interest in philosophical, existentialist, psychological works must incidentally be in possession of some considerable reason, and not rank among such detestable vermin, so I apologize for the somewhat misdirected reproach. The permissive nature of this internet culture we live in, this immaterial space devoid of perceptible moral consequences or boundaries, allows for countless unjust crimes wholly contrary to a reasoned and virtuous nature to pass with reckless abandon. Reading those scans, though in isolation posing no significantly grave consequence, in the aggregate contributes to the subtly deleterious nature of this culture. It is the kind of innocent, indulgent crime that goes unscorned and unnoticed, and in those spheres where it appears openly acknowledged, is tacitly encouraged by an indifferent crowd eager to avoid scrutiny and spread its guilt thin (you know... the "everybody's doing it" crowd). I am keenly aware of the futility in hoping this disaffected culture may even moderately be reformed, even by token gestures of mild reproach. But, that the social mores may be revised to unreservedly discourage such heedless acts, and in this fashion support the industrious artists and authors, seems a just one, that I'm sure you readily agree and subscribe to. And I am now regretting writing so much so late (though I'm probably writing so much because it's so late). Cheers! P.S. As for waiting an indeterminate amount of time for an unlikely localization... you can spend that time learning Japanese, and simply import. It's not as difficult as it may otherwise appear, is plenty of fun, and opens the world up in so many bizarre and adventuresome ways. You meet plenty of interesting people and experience plenty of interesting life events you otherwise wouldn't, and is in my opinion considerably preferable to the short and easy path. |
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