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Kitsunemaru
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Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 5:03 pm
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Kevin Cormack wrote:
Quote: | I've heard the first few manga volumes feature some uncomfortable scenes involving rape and sexual assault, but so far this has been absent from this adaptation … If the adaptation continues to avoid the inclusion of these scenes, I guess it begs the question of how necessary they were in the first place? |
Well, there is some pretty unnecessary stuff of that kind at the beginning of the manga (first two volumes), probably because back then (2004) everybody thought, that dark fantasy manga had to have that kind of stuff (back then). Luckily, the mangaka soon evolved from that stereotypical (unnecessary) use of those topics and, as far as I remember, they do not reoccur. So if you like the storyline and the characters, please do not be discouraged from reading the entire story. There are some hiccups with the quality of the art and the story after the first arc due to a writer´s block of the mangaka during the second arc, but with proper animation and proper handling by the anime´s directors the anime should be able to compensate those flaws, and I am sure we will get a lot of good entertainment worth lots of hours and lots of popcorn.
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jr240483
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Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 6:13 pm
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well if its as good as berserk the golden age memorial edition, then im all for it!
also can you blame the manga author for doing that. a majority of that content was more or less was in every volume of berserk who the author admited at one time is a long time fan and admirer of the late kentaro
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Gina Szanboti
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Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 6:32 pm
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Kitsunemaru wrote: | There are some hiccups with the quality of the art and the story after the first arc due to a writer´s blockade of the mangaka |
What does that mean? They locked him out of his studio? He had writer's block? If the latter, wouldn't that have had to be resolved before it could even continue? I really don't know what you're saying happened.
Kevin Cormack wrote: | I particularly like his absurdly long braids that are tied to daggers at their ends. Don't they cut his legs as he walks? |
He's protected by his garterbelt.
Speaking of odd costuming, does Peepi ever get to wear actual clothes, or is she doomed to barely there lingerie forever? The OP doesn't give me hope.
I already forgot I guess why they need to catch the boat? I thought it was to bypass the monastery and walls, but that's been made moot. So now that they have an airship and a dragon, and no border obstacles to contend with, what do they need with the boat?
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Vanadise
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Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:04 pm
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Quote: | brutalist medieval architecture and anachronistic futuristic technology |
This is just me being very nitpicky, but: brutalism is actually very modern! Brutalist architecture emerged in the 1950's, and the style of blocky concrete buildings associated with it did not exist during medieval times. So, you could chalk that up to being another stylistic anachronism in this series.
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Kitsunemaru
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Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 12:49 am
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Gina Szanboti wrote: |
Kitsunemaru wrote: | There are some hiccups with the quality of the art and the story after the first arc due to a writer´s blockade of the mangaka |
What does that mean? They locked him out of his studio? He had writer's block? If the latter, wouldn't that have had to be resolved before it could even continue? I really don't know what you're saying happened. |
Sorry, I misspelled ... I meant "writer´s block".
Long version of what I tried to tell in short (and failed), is, that the mangaka had a writer´s block somewhere after the end of the first arc (I don´t remember exactly at which part), and the manga therefore went on hiatus for quite some time. When it returned, the quality of the art and the quality of the story had deteriorated IMHO quite a bit and it took some time to recover to a decent quality. That´s what I meant with "some hiccups".
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Seraph89
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Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:18 am
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Kitsunemaru wrote: |
Well, there is some pretty unnecessary stuff of that kind at the beginning of the manga (first two volumes), probably because back then (2004) everybody thought, that dark fantasy manga had to have that kind of stuff (back then). Luckily, the mangaka soon evolved from that stereotypical (unnecessary) use of those topics and, as far as I remember, they do not reoccur. |
They do, unfortunately, when one of the Seven Heroes goes even more nuts than they were previously. So, uh, watch out for that assuming this is planned to be a full adaptation and not just the early parts of the story.
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Doctorkev
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Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 4:37 am
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Vanadise wrote: |
Quote: | brutalist medieval architecture and anachronistic futuristic technology |
This is just me being very nitpicky, but: brutalism is actually very modern! Brutalist architecture emerged in the 1950's, and the style of blocky concrete buildings associated with it did not exist during medieval times. So, you could chalk that up to being another stylistic anachronism in this series. |
This was a very deliberate choice of words on my part. The architecture has aspects of both medieval and more modern brutalist style, I assume this is deliberate on the part of the original manga author/production staff.
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Animegomaniac
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Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 8:11 pm
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The writing's not good when half the cast knows what the pointy eared species can do regards to moonlight and it's not the people whose lives depend on knowing such information.
And such a scenario could lead to horrible, utter horrible things happening to Peepi as well as the dread "new powers as the plot demands" technique. And now I learn the writer had a problem continuing the story past its first arc, wow, that... seems about right.
It's inept power fantasy that lacks any idea of how to inject tension into the situation. "Oh no, he's dead. Anyway..." to "Ok, he's not dead. Anyway..."
I like the visual style but it has the numbers problem that plagued manga from this time. "There was a band of 14 but they were betrayed by 7 and 4 died. But one survived and could run into the remaining 3 while seeking revenge against the 7 who are seen as heroes now. Did you get all that?"
Yeah, I got the author established serialization before even conveying what's going on with the main character's species, the setting and the cast.
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AQuin1904
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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:09 pm
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It sounds like they cut out volume 0 of the manga, which I guess could work, but only with serious changes to how info is presented in volumes 1 and 2.
Despite the superficial similarities to Berserk, I couldn't help feeling there was at least as much Bastard!! influence in play when I read a few volumes of the manga.
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Connor Dino
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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:53 pm
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Let's not (and never) pretend Ubel could ever hold a candle to Berserk (or even to Bastard!!! which at least had enough self awareness to be fun). The story was all over the place and while the stuff the adaptation removed from the manga may have provided more context...as a manga reader, let me tell you thay it certainly didn't make the story more compelling (and these "characters"...woof). I'm happy Kevin is starting to see these cracks as we move forward because, and I've said it before, Ubel Blatt is what 14 year olds THINKS Berserk is about.
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Gina Szanboti
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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:17 pm
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Amen to everything in the review. When I went to the Discussion thread to try to make sense of the mess I'd just watched, I couldn't even articulate anything more coherent than the episode did, so thanks for doing that for me. I feel like I need to make a Pepe Silvia conspiracy wall to follow this.
Still don't know why they were so frantic to catch the ship (which turned out not to be a boat, but another airship) or what they planned to do when they caught up with it, but since they immediately crashed both ship and dragon, I guess that's now as forgotten as scheming to sneak across the border was.
While I'm happy Peepi got a little bit more clothes (we're never going to learn her name, are we), since the OP always has her in lingerie, I'm doubtful she'll get to keep them.
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NeverConvex
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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:30 pm
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I was watching the latest episode of this from my rowing machine, and I almost hurt myself laughing when (A) the elf (?) princess showed up in a bikini bottom to try to revenge-murder Koinzell, and then (B) the camera panned down to peer up from below her ass while the adult human guy declares with shocked gravitas, "That garb! I've seen it before..."
I don't think I've watched anything quite this trashy for more than a single episode in quite a long time
EDIT: Oh, wait. I watched Failure Frame from beginning to end. I guess I just have a type.
Kevin M. wrote: | Of course he attempts to stab Lord Glenn, one of the men who tortured and killed his former alter-ego, but somehow can't move… for reasons that are never explained. |
Not that I'd ever be so bold as to claim this episode was coherent, but on this specific point, I think they showed one of the 7 Heroes (I assume?) restraining him magically, then him moon-powering his way slowly out of it, everyone gasping and going "Unbelievable! How can he moon-power his way out of it!?!", and, lastly, they threw on the chains to fully, really, truly restrain him? Your mileage may vary on whether that counts as sufficient explanation, but (although entirely possible I somehow misunderstood---there was a lot of laughing) I found this one of the least confusing things in the comic mess we just had the privilege to experience.
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AQuin1904
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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 10:24 pm
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Connor Dino wrote: | Ubel Blatt is what 14 year olds THINKS Berserk is about. |
That perfectly encapsulates what I felt about the few volumes I read.
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otakunomike
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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 11:16 pm
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Even as someone who owns the entire manga, I would never call Ubel Blatt anything but a guilty pleasure. It has its fun moments and a lot of baggage too. Still, I was a bit anticipating the anime because with a strong director and some thoughtful updates a solid series could be made of it.
This is none of those things.
Sadly it seems that the only adaptation effort theyve made is cutting a lot of the sexual content, but theyve also trimmed a lot of the more silly side stuff which can keep the story from being too over the top, as well as all of vol 0. I don't even think cutting vol 0 was strictly a bad idea either, its a lot of prologue set up stuff which you dont exactly need so long as you take care to spend two minutes explaining what happened in it or who Rozen, his order of knights (and no, the post-credits sentence doesnt count), Aht, or her brother were. This just hurls everything at you at such a fast pace, this episode alone covers 5 chapters, that you dont have a moment to think about anything before the next mess shows up. I know its not a short series but this is not a pace that is sustainable for its plot because its already a mess and there's still dozens of more characters to introduce over time.
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jr240483
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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 11:58 pm
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NeverConvex wrote: | I was watching the latest episode of this from my rowing machine, and I almost hurt myself laughing when (A) the elf (?) princess showed up in a bikini bottom to try to revenge-murder Koinzell, and then (B) the camera panned down to peer up from below her ass while the adult human guy declares with shocked gravitas, "That garb! I've seen it before..."
I don't think I've watched anything quite this trashy for more than a single episode in quite a long time
EDIT: Oh, wait. I watched Failure Frame from beginning to end. I guess I just have a type.
Kevin M. wrote: | Of course he attempts to stab Lord Glenn, one of the men who tortured and killed his former alter-ego, but somehow can't move… for reasons that are never explained. |
Not that I'd ever be so bold as to claim this episode was coherent, but on this specific point, I think they showed one of the 7 Heroes (I assume?) restraining him magically, then him moon-powering his way slowly out of it, everyone gasping and going "Unbelievable! How can he moon-power his way out of it!?!", and, lastly, they threw on the chains to fully, really, truly restrain him? Your mileage may vary on whether that counts as sufficient explanation, but (although entirely possible I somehow misunderstood---there was a lot of laughing) I found this one of the least confusing things in the comic mess we just had the privilege to experience. |
well i liked failure frame. sure its trashy, but its no shield hero or world greatest talker!
also, i kinda get why a lot of stuff is getting cut out. the production committee is removing a majority of content out to A) avoid becoming as controversial as berserk the golden age with its sexual content and rape, or B) and i hope im wrong, their removing stuff out to get anime only viewers to read the source materials and potentially get interested in the sequel.
its the worst kind of glorified way to use an anime as a source material promotion and have a tendency to sink an anime series altogrther.
its one of the reasons why berserk haven't gotten a proper sequel adaptation up to this point
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