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NEWS: Yakuza Kiwami Game Gets Switch Version on October 24




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Silver Kirin



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 12:07 pm Reply with quote
I'm actually quite surprised that a Yakuza/Like a Dragon game will be released on Switch, the series' creator, Toshihiro Nagoshi, mentioned multiple times in the past that he felt that the Switch was an "daylight console", and by that he meant that he saw the Switch as a console for younger players and that the Yakuza series wouldn't fit there, his games are meant for "underground" consoles for mature players. Honestly, I think the main reason why SEGA didn't release a Yakuza game on the Switch was due to Yakuza 1 & 2 HD bombing on WiiU, but then again, they were released on WiiU. Now, I know that Nagoshi left SEGA a couple of years ago, but I think there's still a weird sentiment in regards to Nintendo consoles at SEGA, aside from Sonic and some minor titles, I feel it's weird that SEGA didn't release a new Sakura Wars, whose reboot was oversaw by Nagoshi, on Switch.
Now, it seems SEGA is releasing Kiwami to capitalize on the premiere of the live-action Yakuza series, so I don't know how well it'll perform, but I wonder if they'll bother releasing more Yakuza games on the Switch's successor, if Kiwami bombs I guess SEGA will say that Yakuza does not sell on Nintendo
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 12:38 pm Reply with quote
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Toshihiro Nagoshi left SEGA years ago so that's probably why. The franchise in general has changed a lot since his departure and is no longer up to him. He also said stuff like he didn't care if he alienated female players or western players and wanted to make the series specifically for Japanese men.
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Silver Kirin



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 12:55 pm Reply with quote
Nigel Planter wrote:
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Toshihiro Nagoshi left SEGA years ago so that's probably why. The franchise in general has changed a lot since his departure and is no longer up to him. He also said stuff like he didn't care if he alienated female players or western players and wanted to make the series specifically for Japanese men.

I made a mistake, it wasn't Nagoshi who said that, the comments were said by the Yakuza series current executive producer, Masayoshi Yokoyama, in an interview with GameSpot back in Septermber, 2022. I found the interview and people in the comments section pointed out that there's plenty of M-Rated titles available on the console, so Yokoyama's reasoning was kind of weird, but, and I know this may sound like a conspiracy, I think many Japanese developers still feel like they have some sort of devotion to the PlayStation, so they tend to ignore publishing their games on Nintendo hardware, even if the Switch could run them. But seeing how Sony recently announced a price increase for the PS5 in Japan and that we might have some news about the Switch's successor, I wonder if we're going to see some changes in reagards to Japanese developers work with Nintendo. If the Switch 2 becomes an instant success, especially in Japan, they won't be able to ignore it.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:03 pm Reply with quote
Silver Kirin wrote:
I feel it's weird that SEGA didn't release a new Sakura Wars, whose reboot was oversaw by Nagoshi, on Switch.


Didn’t the last game bomb?

Along with whatever smartphone game that they dropped I think after.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 1:44 pm Reply with quote
Even Yakuza can get a Switch port!
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Silver Kirin



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 3:41 pm Reply with quote
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Didn’t the last game bomb?

Along with whatever smartphone game that they dropped I think after.

I think Shin Sakura Wars did okay when it was released in Japan back in 2019, it managed to sell 140,376 copies, though it debuted in second place in the weekly charts after Pokémon Sword and Shield. I think SEGA was hoping the game would've been more successful, don't know if they were expecting numers similar to Persona or even Shin Megami Tensei, perhaps the gameplay change drove some fans away, and I know the mobile games were also discontinued and SEGA invested a lot on those. I don't know if the Switch could've run Shin Sakura Wars, but I think a remake/remaster of the original Sakura Wars games would've performed well if SEGA marketed them well.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 5:18 pm Reply with quote
Silver Kirin wrote:

I made a mistake, it wasn't Nagoshi who said that, the comments were said by the Yakuza series current executive producer, Masayoshi Yokoyama, in an interview with GameSpot back in Septermber, 2022. I found the interview and people in the comments section pointed out that there's plenty of M-Rated titles available on the console, so Yokoyama's reasoning was kind of weird, but, and I know this may sound like a conspiracy, I think many Japanese developers still feel like they have some sort of devotion to the PlayStation, so they tend to ignore publishing their games on Nintendo hardware, even if the Switch could run them. But seeing how Sony recently announced a price increase for the PS5 in Japan and that we might have some news about the Switch's successor, I wonder if we're going to see some changes in reagards to Japanese developers work with Nintendo. If the Switch 2 becomes an instant success, especially in Japan, they won't be able to ignore it.


Yakuza 3-5 and 0 on the Switch are inevitable and I wouldn't be surprised to see Kiwami 2, 6, and the other Dragon Engine games on the next system. The install base of the Switch is just too big and it sounds like a like of 3rd parties are wanting to get in on the ground floor for the next system as they don't want to miss out. When the Switch is getting the bulk of attention when it comes to the Dragon Quest III remake, that causes devs to go "Oh man, this is serious."

As for "devotion" to Sony, that's exaggerated. There might be a handful of devs that are like that, but for the most part devs and publishers go where the money and fans are. I remember when Kutaragi brought CAPCOM in for a meeting about Resident Evil 4 and basically accused them of "betraying" Sony for putting it on the Gamecube. They all thought he was a weirdo
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AiddonValentine wrote:

As for "devotion" to Sony, that's exaggerated. There might be a handful of devs that are like that, but for the most part devs and publishers go where the money and fans are. I remember when Kutaragi brought CAPCOM in for a meeting about Resident Evil 4 and basically accused them of "betraying" Sony for putting it on the Gamecube. They all thought he was a weirdo


Never mind the fact 0 nearly wound up on the N64, or the first game releasing on the Saturn along with PC, and Code Veronica releasing first on the Dreamcast.

Hope he was joking with that lack of history.
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AiddonValentine wrote:
Yakuza 3-5 and 0 on the Switch are inevitable and I wouldn't be surprised to see Kiwami 2, 6, and the other Dragon Engine games on the next system. The install base of the Switch is just too big and it sounds like a like of 3rd parties are wanting to get in on the ground floor for the next system as they don't want to miss out. When the Switch is getting the bulk of attention when it comes to the Dragon Quest III remake, that causes devs to go "Oh man, this is serious."

Well, if Kiwami sells well on the Switch and the live-action Yakuza show is successful, perhaps SEGA will try and port the rest of the Yakuza games that could run on the base Switch, but at this point I think some developers like SEGA waited for too long in regards to releasing some of their games on the Switch, perhaps it'd been a better idea if they released them back when the console was in the middle of its lifespan, I know Nintendo said the Switch would have a longer than expected life, but there's the constant rumors about its successor being annouced soon. Also, I don't think Dragon Quest III HD-2D being on the Switch is something that took by surprise some Japanese third-parties, save for DQ VII and VIII, the DQ series has always been on Nintendo consoles and this is the third remake of the game, and I'm not trying to downplayed, DQ III HD-2D doesn't seem to push the Switch's graphical capabilities and the game will also be available on other consoles as well.

BadNewsBlues wrote:
AiddonValentine wrote:
As for "devotion" to Sony, that's exaggerated. There might be a handful of devs that are like that, but for the most part devs and publishers go where the money and fans are. I remember when Kutaragi brought CAPCOM in for a meeting about Resident Evil 4 and basically accused them of "betraying" Sony for putting it on the Gamecube. They all thought he was a weirdo


Never mind the fact 0 nearly wound up on the N64, or the first game releasing on the Saturn along with PC, and Code Veronica releasing first on the Dreamcast.

Hope he was joking with that lack of history.

It's not that all Japanese third-parties have a strong sense of loyalty towards Sony, Capcom it's a good example with some of their older decisions, like developing RE0, RE Remake and RE4 on NGC and their more recent decisions of lauching their games on multiple platforms, including PC, and also Tecmo giving their support to the original Xbox back in the day. But there's plenty of example of developers that seemed like they wanted to keep their games on PlayStation, even if they weren't successful, like the infamous Power Point presentation made by Danganronpa's developers asking people to buy a PS VIta, or how Falcom's developers seemed reluctant to publish their games on the Switch, until it was obvious that they couldn't ignore the system.
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It keeps with the overall theme from the showcase, which was lots of remasters, rereleases, etc. to try to squeeze in before the next Nintendo system. It's something we see at the tail end of any console.

Yakuza previously did poorly on Nintendo, but it was also the Wii U, and the series didn't have the general interest it does now. The circumstances are different enough that a port of just one game probably isn't much of a gamble.
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Silver Kirin wrote:
Also, I don't think Dragon Quest III HD-2D being on the Switch is something that took by surprise some Japanese third-parties, save for DQ VII and VIII, the DQ series has always been on Nintendo consoles and this is the third remake of the game, and I'm not trying to downplayed, DQ III HD-2D doesn't seem to push the Switch's graphical capabilities and the game will also be available on other consoles as well.


It's not that it's on the Switch that's the surprise, it's that the majority of its advertising is clearly focused on the Switch. Yuji Horii himself was on the release date announcement which was at the June Direct and the latest announcement was, again, at a Direct. And if Famitsu's most wanted games rankings are any indication, the Switch version is going to sell through the roof in Japan. Heck, a leaked banner at PAX West's venue revealed even Guilty Gear Strive is coming to the Switch.

It's clear companies want to be in on the ground floor with Nintendo's next system which is why you're seeing them get their games on the Switch even with some being a bit janky performance wise. So I'm still predicting it: you will see Yakuza 3-5 on the Switch, and everything Yakuza 6 and later on the next system. Companies go where the money is and people go where the games are. No one wants to be missing out again.
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AiddonValentine wrote:
Heck, a leaked banner at PAX West's venue revealed even Guilty Gear Strive is coming to the Switch.

Oh yeah, I saw that leaked banner, and already people are saying things, "Why bother porting GG: Strive on Switch? It'd be better fit for the Switch 2", ignoring the fact that the Switch has sold over 140 million units and that most gamers don't care too much about resolution, online play and rollback, I mean, porting fighting games into less powerful hardware has been a thing since the Game Boy days with games like Killer Instinct and Battle Arena Toshinden, or how Capcom released Street Fighter IV on the 3DS as a launch title. It seems ArcSys is releasing GG: Strive to capitalize on the recently announced anime, just like how SEGA is releasing Yakuza Kiwami near the release of the Yakuza live-action show, or how S-E released NieR Automata on Switch near the premiere of the anime, but at least Stirve is still getting new content despite being released 3 years ago, so this is not that bad compared to other Switch late ports.

AiddonValentine wrote:
It's clear companies want to be in on the ground floor with Nintendo's next system which is why you're seeing them get their games on the Switch even with some being a bit janky performance wise. So I'm still predicting it: you will see Yakuza 3-5 on the Switch, and everything Yakuza 6 and later on the next system. Companies go where the money is and people go where the games are. No one wants to be missing out again.

I've hearing rumors that some developers, especially Japanese ones, will be more on-board with the Switch's successor in comparison to the original, I think we'll probably get some late, or should I say late-gen, ports at first, but I'm wondering if some developers like Capcom will try to run release games like Monster Hunter Rise or if Rockstar will manage to release GTA VI.
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