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L'Imperatore
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:02 pm
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No usual anime romcom hijinks when Oliver catches Nanao bathing.... er, purifying herself in ep 1. I like Nanao and this show already.
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Aerodynamic41
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:09 pm
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LN reader here and let me just point out that the anime actually skipped the prologue of Volume 1, most likely to avoid spoiling the plot twist so I implore anime-onlies to keep watching until the plot twist is revealed.
Oh, and before anyone asks "Why are there only six main characters when the title says 'Seven Spellblades'?", the eponymous Spellblades don't refer to any of the characters. What they really are will be explained later.
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MFrontier
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:59 pm
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I'm surprisingly enjoying it so far! JC Staff is doing a good job production wise and the cast is growing on me.
Also Ai Kayano as a sexy bad girl is more than I needed from this show.
L'Imperatore wrote: | No usual anime romcom hijinks when Oliver catches Nanao bathing.... er, purifying herself in ep 1. I like Nanao and this show already. |
He did immediately recall it when seeing her in uniform in episode 2...
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garfield15
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:04 pm
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I felt the same way about Oliver but LN readers assured me his character is yet to be truly revealed so I will keep watching for now
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Iron Maw
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:17 pm
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Quote: | This sticks out early in the second episode, where the whole issue of Nanao's challenge against Andrew sees Oliver concerned that the seasoned samurai warrior with the multi-digit body count might have trouble holding her own in a swordfight with a high schooler. It's all a roundabout writing mechanic to have Oliver and Nanao be the ones to showcase the centerpiece duel instead, and the result looks pretty damn slick and also leads to those other interesting asides like Nanao's PTSD. But it's just one example of Oliver's clunky way of butting into things. |
This actually isn't clunky as you make out to be. Perhaps the nuances of this got lost somehere, but in very beginning of the episode when the concept of Sword Arts is introduced, its mentioned that it was created directly to deal with people like Nanao. Because of this her lack of magical training actually puts her significantly disadvantage. Oliver also doesn't know her sword style well to know if can compensate against this fact. Heck if you look back at that part, even instructor Garland is reluctant to have Nanao take part in demonstrations at all because of it and way Michela comes in to back up Oliver shows she shares the same concerns because Andrews seem to banking on exploiting her weakness. So his action here is actually rooted in the story worldview. Which when comes to combat the field of Sword Arts is supreme and someone who is merely good at one aspect of it can't go far. Because of that there is little reason for them to believe she can hold her own in a proper Sword Arts duel without some accommodations or handicap. However they aren't aware of the extent of her experience such as the fact of whether she has killed people (Oliver remarks show if anything this is a surprise) either. Tbh If Oliver hadn't stepped in than Michela probably might have because those two usually on the same wavelength.
Obviously they now know that her swordskills are better than expected and Andrews familiarity may not as been much of advantage as originally assumed but that is hindsight after a proper demo. Plus Nanao deserve to fight someone who treats her with basic respect not a clown because she ignorant in ways of country she is in.
Besides the way Oliver is currently giving Nanao the cold shoulder it, I don't think butting into other people problems "just because" seem like correct take cause he certainly doesn't look like he's trying to find what Nanao's deal is. If anything his actions in these scenario can best described as someone pulling a friend path of an incoming truck becasue they know is coming as soon as they try to cross the street especially because they know firsthand how reckless that friend is. Like I love Nanao's spunky attitude and whatnot but its clear she a bit naive at least in the way of mage society and she not world of samurai anymore but one in where of mages are also superhuman. Its natural that she would get in over her head a fair bit.
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Cloudywind
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2023 3:30 am
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I thought it was fairly obvious (even if unspoken) that the reason Oliver and Chela feel the need to guide others through everything is because the two of them are the most experienced, or at least the best prepared, of the group. Chela is part of a long noble lineage whose dad has the pull to give Nanao a direct admission referral, and Oliver has both a bodyguard following him around and the ability to recognise Nanao as a killer and keep up with her, indicating at least something more that he's not yet telling us.
As for why they are all friends within two days
Quote: | But from that moment on, Hermione Granger became their friend. There are some things you can’t share without ending up liking each other, and knocking out a twelve-foot mountain troll is one of them. |
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Iron Maw
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:57 am
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Cloudywind wrote: | I thought it was fairly obvious (even if unspoken) that the reason Oliver and Chela feel the need to guide others through everything is because the two of them are the most experienced, or at least the best prepared, of the group. Chela is part of a long noble lineage whose dad has the pull to give Nanao a direct admission referral, and Oliver has both a bodyguard following him around and the ability to recognise Nanao as a killer and keep up with her, indicating at least something more that he's not yet telling us.
As for why they are all friends within two days |
Yeah this. Oliver and Michela are clearly more knowledgeable about the academy then other 4 and have shown they are decent enough people to help others they at least. One shouldn't also forget the Headmistress' about statement 20% of the student body not making it out of here alive for one reason or another. In fact end of episode 2 seems like one examples of why.
I don't think the 6 becoming friends on the first day is weird either. At least in my experience I've made some long friendships for less banal reasons than this group did. They still acknowledge they don't know each all that but they certainly more at ease around each other due to troll incident "breaking the ice" & showing the true character every one of them in terms of crisis. Out of anyone they know academy at moment, these 6 know they can at least count on them each for some kind of support if any one of them are in danger.
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Vaisaga
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2023 8:07 am
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Nanao might not be the main character, but she is the main heroine and will be the one with the greatest impact on Oliver's development. She definitely is a main selling point for the series. It's a nice change when she doesn't lash out at Oliver for seeing her bathe, and later she's very open about her feelings for him. In a normal way, not in a obsessive clingy stalker sort of way.
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druv
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:28 am
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Vaisaga wrote: | Nanao might not be the main character, but she is the main heroine and will be the one with the greatest impact on Oliver's development. She definitely is a main selling point for the series. It's a nice change when she doesn't lash out at Oliver for seeing her bathe, and later she's very open about her feelings for him. In a normal way, not in a obsessive clingy stalker sort of way. |
That just makes me disappointed because Oliver is a total herb. One of the main things that turn me off the show (though I find it very interesting!) is the thought that other characters' development will be sacrificed for the sake of his, which I don't care anything about. Hopefully he'll win me over, but he has truly been insufferable and boring in the first two episodes.
Also, I know it's been said before but 20%? The Scholomance laughs at their silly baby school for babies.
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Iron Maw
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:39 am
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druv wrote: |
Vaisaga wrote: | Nanao might not be the main character, but she is the main heroine and will be the one with the greatest impact on Oliver's development. She definitely is a main selling point for the series. It's a nice change when she doesn't lash out at Oliver for seeing her bathe, and later she's very open about her feelings for him. In a normal way, not in a obsessive clingy stalker sort of way. |
That just makes me disappointed because Oliver is a total herb. One of the main things that turn me off the show (though I find it very interesting!) is the thought that other characters' development will be sacrificed for the sake of his, which I don't care anything about. Hopefully he'll win me over, but he has truly been insufferable and boring in the first two episodes.
Also, I know it's been said before but 20%? The Scholomance laughs at their silly baby school for babies. |
Don't know how you got that from the show that just is working fleshing out two members of core cast before him. I also don't get your beef either, but Oliver is one of the best characters in the series who surprisingly can't be pigeonhole one archetype (shouty shounen kid, broody angst brat or milquetoast potato who is incapable of taking proactive action) while still surrounding by a level intrigue (like hello, he's got bodyguard around him, the heck?) which makes him a little more multifaceted than you would think in coming in. He's also kind of good at talking to people, can the read the room without being told and comes across like a decent person in general. This before any backstory or reveals. His development with Nanao in particular is quite good partially thanks to how they are like foils to one another.
That said taste and all that, but your not going have a good time here if you're seriously hating him without a very good reason that isn't preferential.
For record as someone has read way past where the anime will cover, I think all the character are great. They gel really well together and seeing form tight-kit as they work out their interpersonal issues as they struggle survive through the school is one of the novels charms.
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b-dragon
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:01 am
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Iron Maw wrote: |
For record as someone has read way past where the anime will cover, I think all the character are great. They gel really well together and seeing form tight-kit as they work out their interpersonal issues as they struggle survive through the school is one of the novels charms. |
I think the bolded is the issue. It seems to me that the people who like Oliver more are the ones who are already familiar with the series and we newbies are the ones with a less positive impression. Whether thats because the anime skips or rearranges information that would make him come across better, or if he was the exact same in the source material, I don't know. I will concede that I see a lot of potential in his reveals and development- but there are some issues with the execution that mean it hasn't been realized yet.
I boil those issues down to two things. First, I don't have the slightest idea of how unusual he is. This entire setting and system is new to me. Am I supposed to find it unusual that his family sends a bodyguard? I don't think it should be- since the school loses 20% of its student "to the spell", I'd assume any family with the means to do so would be invested in sending bodyguards to protect their children. So why should I find it odd? Is he supposed to be a good swordsman? We've only really seen two fighters- he and Nanao- and while the plot directly tells us she's good, we also don't know the baseline for the class, or the world as a whole. Is he a bit better than them, or a lot? No clue. He and Chela know...call it "Kimberly Survival 101". Am I supposed to believe this as uncommon knowledge, or do underclassmen really never get told not to wander the halls after dark? Or are the other 4 being dumb so he and Chela can show off how knowledgeable they are? Well, other 3. Nanao at least gets away with not having what seems like it should be setting common knowledge due to different cultural upbringing.
The second issue is that he's secretive and mysterious. This isn't inherently bad, obviously. But in a setting where I have questions about literally everything, the guy who refuses to say anything is at the bottom of my list of questions. A setting like this needs a comparative viewpoint character to ask our in-lore dumb questions for us. Nanao and the new kids are that, which makes it easier to relate.
As I said, he can turn it around. But he's initially coming across as bland and unengaging to me.
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Iron Maw
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:04 am
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b-dragon wrote: | I think the bolded is the issue. It seems to me that the people who like Oliver more are the ones who are already familiar with the series and we newbies are the ones with a less positive impression. Whether thats because the anime skips or rearranges information that would make him come across better, or if he was the exact same in the source material, I don't know. I will concede that I see a lot of potential in his reveals and development- but there are some issues with the execution that mean it hasn't been realized yet. |
Ok I will expand this a little because it clearly a preference. I liked Oliver even before got to point I am reading and learning more what truly makes him tick. First having a MC who isn't a "naive newcomer", whose needs to have everything explained to them (in fact the lead in the story is expert this time or at least not a complete greenhorn), has level head on their shoulders, and allowed to be little mysterious is refreshing to me. I can't recall this being a thing in these types unless their are grizzled old veterans who aren't part of main cast anyway despite being the same age as our female lead. I like Nanao, but her "fish out of water" archetype as main characters in these works have been done numerous times. This series would have essentially another Harry Potter (sudden undiscovered magic user goes to live in magic academy) wouldn't be interesting angle to start especially when Spellblades has enough inspirations from that series.
Quote: | I boil those issues down to two things. First, I don't have the slightest idea of how unusual he is. This entire setting and system is new to me. Am I supposed to find it unusual that his family sends a bodyguard? I don't think it should be- since the school loses 20% of its student "to the spell", I'd assume any family with the means to do so would be invested in sending bodyguards to protect their children. So why should I find it odd? Is he supposed to be a good swordsman? We've only really seen two fighters- he and Nanao- and while the plot directly tells us she's good, we also don't know the baseline for the class, or the world as a whole. Is he a bit better than them, or a lot? No clue. He and Chela know...call it "Kimberly Survival 101" |
I don't think you need much more exposition about the setting than anime provides to know how he is unusual compared to the other 5. Take the bodyguard for example, if this supposed to be common due to 20% fataility rate don't you think everyone would be have similar scenes? Nope we just see Oliver. Does show need go out of its way explicit state this how odd this when visual storytelling and dialogue within those scenes provides with obvious answer? Similarly Oliver's knowledge about the academy transformation, the seniors to watch out for, the inventive use spell to scare off troll, his ability to fight evenly with Nanao doesn't fall into common pattern him being more experienced and knowledge about Kimberly than other 4 outside Chela? Has Guy Katie and Pete in these past two displayed any such knowledge or had similar things happen to assume otherwise? No.
Like with any kind of visual medium that relies on more on showing then, if you want to learn more about world you can't view character in a vacuum you have pay attention how other characters react or don't react to what they do. Take Nanao for example how we know she's not native to country Kimberly is located before she says it? The comment on her manner of dress and weapon by the other charterers, the fact her speech patterns are completely like anyone else and of course her lack of social norms (bathing in public, taking whole slabs of food meant for multiple people). The other character are written that not only defines them but informs the audience of specific aspect of the world. Katie's ardent defense of demi-humans and interest in magical biology how we know the utilitarian view of mages towards most living creatures not granted special protections and build to reveal what is driving her in episode 2.
Every character is written in a similar manner, including the minor ones like Andrew, the red who wanted to pick on Nanao in Sword Arts class. Everything about Oliver from 2 episodes tells you enough he's well meaning, cooldheaded reliable lad, comes across more knowledge then most of his peers (Guy, Pete, Nanao etc) but seems to be involved in something regarding the school as we see with his conversations with the mysterious girl. It makes him distinct form the other cast member just as much as Nanao's brashness ignorance, inquisitiveness, swordsmanship & seemly equal mysterious past does.
Quote: | Am I supposed to believe this as uncommon knowledge, or do underclassmen really never get told not to wander the halls after dark? Or are the other 4 being dumb so he and Chela can show off how knowledgeable they are? Well, other 3. Nanao at least gets away with not having what seems like it should be setting common knowledge due to different cultural upbringing |
Yes, if only 2 people out of 6 know something the others don't than safe to say it's not something that is common knowledge otherwise certain characters wouldn't ask questions or take the actions they do. Pete for example clearly did not know about academy turning into labyrinth at night was blaffed why Oliver and Michela were hurrying along until it happened.
Quote: | The second issue is that he's secretive and mysterious. This isn't inherently bad, obviously. But in a setting where I have questions about literally everything, the guy who refuses to say anything is at the bottom of my list of questions. A setting like this needs a comparative viewpoint character to ask our in-lore dumb questions for us. Nanao and the new kids are that, which makes it easier to relate.
As I said, he can turn it around. But he's initially coming across as bland and unengaging to me. |
I mean that fine, but I don't consider the mysterious of the setting the same as ones surrounding Oliver. The basics about Kimberly itself is pretty easy to understand are convey via exposition directly to you. However things like the girl that shadows Oliver, his level knowledge, perceptiveness (he was able analyzed the way Nanao fought quickly adapted) and expertise about everything about compared others tells me tell he not at least no average joe like Guy. Especially when a character like Michela who has much less mystery around her praises for his performance and state why he better than say Andrew. These elements as much color to him as anyone because nobody in the show emulating these things. Michela comes the closest, but she aristocrat whose father we know is connected to the school so her being more ahead of most first-years isn't unusual.
So the best advice I can offer you here that pay close attention to every character's actions and reactions. None of them are throwaway no matter how weird or impenetrable they seem at first, like Nanao's dejection and current depression.
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Aaronrules380
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:44 pm
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druv wrote: |
Vaisaga wrote: | Nanao might not be the main character, but she is the main heroine and will be the one with the greatest impact on Oliver's development. She definitely is a main selling point for the series. It's a nice change when she doesn't lash out at Oliver for seeing her bathe, and later she's very open about her feelings for him. In a normal way, not in a obsessive clingy stalker sort of way. |
That just makes me disappointed because Oliver is a total herb. One of the main things that turn me off the show (though I find it very interesting!) is the thought that other characters' development will be sacrificed for the sake of his, which I don't care anything about. Hopefully he'll win me over, but he has truly been insufferable and boring in the first two episodes.
Also, I know it's been said before but 20%? The Scholomance laughs at their silly baby school for babies. |
I mean a big reason it's only 20% is that in this setting most wounds that aren't instantly fatal can be completely healed by magic, including by the wounded themselves, so people can go through incredibly extreme trauma and still not die (at least not when a bunch of mages are present)
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Iron Maw
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:42 pm
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Quote: | Might that just be me constructing my external interpretations of Seven Spellblades as it remains technically a relatively rote kids-at-magic-school show this week? Maybe, but it's the most generous way I can regard the series as it keeps hurtling through the surface-level story signifiers it's setting up. Well, I say "surface," even though the continuation of the big brouhaha from last week takes place underground at the start here, but you get what I mean. They are still throwing new characters at us, including some antagonists with truly outrageous names that confront our main mess of mages, and it's not made especially clear how regular a thing trying to kill your new first-year students is here at Kimberly. This is mostly a showcase anyway, with the skeleton-summoning guy and the sexy succubus lady hurling huge magic monsters at each other and constructing a scenario that Nanao can try running headlong into so we understand just how deep her trauma goes. |
As an novel reader saying almost anything about this is impossible. All I can leave you with is this yes there is definitely more going underneath the surface. Even with all plot threads in the first 3 episodes that will be resolved by the end of first book will also serve starting point further expansion. That includes Nanao's development which merely at its beginning stages. Don't expect all of it to be in this season tho, this 12 book long series and going. Bokuto likes to play the long game. So just keep that in the back of your mind and enjoy the moment to moment events.
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