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Toyokaaaa
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:16 pm
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"Gay porn manga" is such a 2000s way to describe adult BL lmao.
That aside, he already recommended Asada Nemui's Sleeping Dead(also R-18), so I won't be surprised if he'll recommend more BL in the future. And it's great to see big creators giving shout out to smaller ones.
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DamianSalazar
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:27 pm
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I really wonder what Fujimoto's limits are.
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Rodem
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 1:23 pm
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First comment already shares a good amount of my opinions. But I assume boys’ manga creators having assistants who draw/go on to do bl is not uncommon. At least I’ve already seen a case like this way before this story with Ikkou Tanaka (Junket Bank) promoting very raunchy bl from Kotobuki, one of his former assistants, multiple times.
The BL industry is huge in Japan so a story like this doesn’t seem that surprising imo.. + Creators just like to plug their (former) assistants works, of course. Well hopefully this recommendation will convince some “ew gay manga” people to try BL at least.
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-Matthew-
Joined: 12 Mar 2022
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:06 pm
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I would like to read this work. Great that BL genre is popular everywhere!
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MagicPolly
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:16 pm
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Rodem wrote: | Well hopefully this recommendation will convince some “ew gay manga” people to try BL at least. |
Judging by the replies ANN's tweet got, it seems not unfortunately
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Matcha.8
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:24 pm
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As other commenters, I'm ambivalent about the title's use of the term gay porn when it's based on a meme not used by the author itself. It seems like the usage of the term in this context is merely to generate a more attention-grabbing title without giving consideration to the implications of conflating BL and gay porn.
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ANN_Lynzee
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:31 pm
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Matcha8 wrote: | As other commenters, I'm ambivalent about the title's use of the term gay porn when it's based on a meme not used by the author itself. It seems like the usage of the term in this context is merely to generate a more attention-grabbing title without giving consideration to the implications of conflating BL and gay porn. |
The article wrote: | "It's R-18, but it's very good, so you should give it a read," Fujimoto commented. "Thanks very much." |
It's a pornographic doujin starring two male characters. What would you call that?
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Nanashi.no.mono
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:19 pm
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ANN_Lynzee wrote: | It's a pornographic doujin starring two male characters. What would you call that? |
It's a one-shot BL manga published in an official manga volume that compiles one-shots by several authors and is released every few months. An anthology, if you will.
Do you also call Given or Therapy Game, for example, gay porn? No? Then this ain't it either.
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Matcha.8
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:36 pm
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ANN_Lynzee wrote: |
Matcha8 wrote: | As other commenters, I'm ambivalent about the title's use of the term gay porn when it's based on a meme not used by the author itself. It seems like the usage of the term in this context is merely to generate a more attention-grabbing title without giving consideration to the implications of conflating BL and gay porn. |
The article wrote: | "It's R-18, but it's very good, so you should give it a read," Fujimoto commented. "Thanks very much." |
It's a pornographic doujin starring two male characters. What would you call that? |
I have not read the title itself. But is it entirely about smutty content?
Gay porn, in the Western context, usually refers to a form of live-action media produced by a specific industry that has its roots in California and is sustained by its own star system. I think that's still what most people will think of when the word is uttered without allusion to anything else. Broadly construed, it could be anything that feature depiction of male same-sex acts. Regardless, gay porn is purely about the sex act itself.
There's many BL content that contains explicit pornographic scenes, but I don't think we can consider them all "gay porn" per se. Some of these could use the sexual scenes to represent the culmination of a story that's more about the relationship than the sex itself. Whereas some others could be entirely about sex, which would make these closer to gay porn. But nuances in terminology make a difference in journalistic reports.
Another one of my concern is in regard to author's intention. Again, I have not read the title in question. But the author might not necessarily view their own work as "gay porn," and to publicize it as such might be offensive to them.
I could be wrong in regard to my speculations. But I think these nuances are nevertheless elided when the title of this article decides to use the term gay porn based on a meme that is not even used by Fujimoto himself to refer to the work he's promoting.
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ATastySub
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:23 pm
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Matcha8 wrote: |
ANN_Lynzee wrote: |
Matcha8 wrote: | As other commenters, I'm ambivalent about the title's use of the term gay porn when it's based on a meme not used by the author itself. It seems like the usage of the term in this context is merely to generate a more attention-grabbing title without giving consideration to the implications of conflating BL and gay porn. |
The article wrote: | "It's R-18, but it's very good, so you should give it a read," Fujimoto commented. "Thanks very much." |
It's a pornographic doujin starring two male characters. What would you call that? |
I have not read the title itself. But is it entirely about smutty content?
Gay porn, in the Western context, usually refers to a form of live-action media produced by a specific industry that has its roots in California and is sustained by its own star system. I think that's still what most people will think of when the word is uttered without allusion to anything else. Broadly construed, it could be anything that feature depiction of male same-sex acts. Regardless, gay porn is purely about the sex act itself.
There's many BL content that contains explicit pornographic scenes, but I don't think we can consider them all "gay porn" per se. Some of these could use the sexual scenes to represent the culmination of a story that's more about the relationship than the sex itself. Whereas some others could be entirely about sex, which would make these closer to gay porn. But nuances in terminology make a difference in journalistic reports.
Another one of my concern is in regard to author's intention. Again, I have not read the title in question. But the author might not necessarily view their own work as "gay porn," and to publicize it as such might be offensive to them.
I could be wrong in regard to my speculations. But I think these nuances are nevertheless elided when the title of this article decides to use the term gay porn based on a meme that is not even used by Fujimoto himself to refer to the work he's promoting. |
This sure is a lot of words for "I have zero idea that I'm right but I'm certain you are wrong."
That's not nuance. That's projection. You're arguing something that isn't even present because you want to argue about it.
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Matcha.8
Joined: 08 May 2021
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:56 pm
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ATastySub wrote: |
Matcha8 wrote: |
ANN_Lynzee wrote: |
Matcha8 wrote: | As other commenters, I'm ambivalent about the title's use of the term gay porn when it's based on a meme not used by the author itself. It seems like the usage of the term in this context is merely to generate a more attention-grabbing title without giving consideration to the implications of conflating BL and gay porn. |
The article wrote: | "It's R-18, but it's very good, so you should give it a read," Fujimoto commented. "Thanks very much." |
It's a pornographic doujin starring two male characters. What would you call that? |
I have not read the title itself. But is it entirely about smutty content?
Gay porn, in the Western context, usually refers to a form of live-action media produced by a specific industry that has its roots in California and is sustained by its own star system. I think that's still what most people will think of when the word is uttered without allusion to anything else. Broadly construed, it could be anything that feature depiction of male same-sex acts. Regardless, gay porn is purely about the sex act itself.
There's many BL content that contains explicit pornographic scenes, but I don't think we can consider them all "gay porn" per se. Some of these could use the sexual scenes to represent the culmination of a story that's more about the relationship than the sex itself. Whereas some others could be entirely about sex, which would make these closer to gay porn. But nuances in terminology make a difference in journalistic reports.
Another one of my concern is in regard to author's intention. Again, I have not read the title in question. But the author might not necessarily view their own work as "gay porn," and to publicize it as such might be offensive to them.
I could be wrong in regard to my speculations. But I think these nuances are nevertheless elided when the title of this article decides to use the term gay porn based on a meme that is not even used by Fujimoto himself to refer to the work he's promoting. |
This sure is a lot of words for "I have zero idea that I'm right but I'm certain you are wrong."
That's not nuance. That's projection. You're arguing something that isn't even present because you want to argue about it. |
What am I projecting? I have presented a plausible scenario that involves how an author might want their audience to perceive their work. It might not be one that you have answer to unless you are personally connected to the author. I do not.
I have tried to engage with the question by properly explaining my thought process, whereas you're just trying to shut me down.
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Toyokaaaa
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:53 pm
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Matcha8 wrote: | It's a pornographic doujin starring two male characters. What would you call that? |
R-18 BL doujin/adult BL doujin sounds good to me. Just because it's a doujin doesn't mean you can call it gay porn. Just because someone made a meme doesn't mean you can call it gay porn.
That reminds me, ANN never covered Satoru Noda's recommendation of Yuki to Matsu. I can only imagine the headline for that article.
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wewhomustnotbenamed
Joined: 01 Jun 2018
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:20 pm
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ATastySub wrote: |
Matcha8 wrote: |
ANN_Lynzee wrote: |
Matcha8 wrote: | As other commenters, I'm ambivalent about the title's use of the term gay porn when it's based on a meme not used by the author itself. It seems like the usage of the term in this context is merely to generate a more attention-grabbing title without giving consideration to the implications of conflating BL and gay porn. |
The article wrote: | "It's R-18, but it's very good, so you should give it a read," Fujimoto commented. "Thanks very much." |
It's a pornographic doujin starring two male characters. What would you call that? |
I have not read the title itself. But is it entirely about smutty content?
Gay porn, in the Western context, usually refers to a form of live-action media produced by a specific industry that has its roots in California and is sustained by its own star system. I think that's still what most people will think of when the word is uttered without allusion to anything else. Broadly construed, it could be anything that feature depiction of male same-sex acts. Regardless, gay porn is purely about the sex act itself.
There's many BL content that contains explicit pornographic scenes, but I don't think we can consider them all "gay porn" per se. Some of these could use the sexual scenes to represent the culmination of a story that's more about the relationship than the sex itself. Whereas some others could be entirely about sex, which would make these closer to gay porn. But nuances in terminology make a difference in journalistic reports.
Another one of my concern is in regard to author's intention. Again, I have not read the title in question. But the author might not necessarily view their own work as "gay porn," and to publicize it as such might be offensive to them.
I could be wrong in regard to my speculations. But I think these nuances are nevertheless elided when the title of this article decides to use the term gay porn based on a meme that is not even used by Fujimoto himself to refer to the work he's promoting. |
This sure is a lot of words for "I have zero idea that I'm right but I'm certain you are wrong."
That's not nuance. That's projection. You're arguing something that isn't even present because you want to argue about it. |
I helping contribute in manga database site and get astonished the amount of BL fans who refuse to properly tag their favorite gay eroticism manga as porn. it's like they have something against pornography even when they enjoy it. like bruh, you are on internet. nobody cares if you enjoy porn. it's nothing illegal or weird. nothing wrong with reading gay pornography.
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MangaNeko
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:01 pm
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Wow, this is interesting. A mangaka gives a shout out to his assistant’s new ADULT one shot in a BL anthology and some weebs with no understanding about BL and its audience create some abnoxious memes. I really wish ANN staff added some contextual explanation and did not go with the click bait, “gay porn”. The original article included a link to said anthology and the 6 pages I saw does NOT fall into “gay porn”, but with an R17 rating something will happen between the main characters. Also females tend to be BL authors, so I wonder if Fujimoto meant for this tweet to be more feminist and again jerks hijacked a very sincere compliment.
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L'Imperatore
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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:26 pm
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This was supposed to be a light-hearted article...
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