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The_Outsider



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:25 am Reply with quote
Callisto Protocol isn't being released in Japan btw, too violent for their ratings board.

Edit: Also it's Jason Schreier, not Schrier.
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Vickey Cheese



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 12:22 pm Reply with quote
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In the discussion with Kotaku, ModdedInkling went on to explain, "There was debate involving the naming conventions of someone identifying later as trans... The mandate was to retroactively change any of the names displayed for the person or character, even though that was not how they were referred to at the time. I don't remember if it was a real-life person or a fictional character. It did not cause them to fork, but it was one concern that NIWA had in potential examples involving character pronouns like Vivian from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Sheik from Ocarina of Time, or Vilia from Breath of the Wild."

... Yeah, I don't know why wanting to deadname a character is considered "mandated censorship" either.


It's still censorship even if you try to mask it under the excuse of 'just doing the right thing'. Most people that practice censorship and similar methods use that excuse to justify their actions.

I assumed that pronoun policing was just typical Wiki Admins being Wiki Admins, but if it was a general hard rule across all the platform then that's even worse to hear. For 'later identifying' I can only think of something like Bridget. If the other game wikis were forced to go back and refer to Bridget as a girl in older games just because Strive changed things, then yeah, that's pretty inaccurate. Especially when you can boot up Judgement and it has Bridget talking about being a guy and using he/him. Bridget didn't identify as a girl until Strive, so in all past games the character is male and any documentation and information focused on those games should be preserved as they were on release. No need for historical revisionism like we're George Lucas here. Especially when it can spoil things for people who haven't played future games and are starting a series from the beginning. Imagine using past-tense wording for a character when reviewing episode 1 of an anime because they die in episode 83. Bad form.

Not really sure what how Sheik or Vilia would apply to this rule though. Unless Fandom was insistent on calling Shiek a woman since Zelda identifies as a woman and thus spoiling the big reveal on the wiki page. Or calling Zelda a man on her page entry because they think her whole Shiek persona was her coming out as trans rather than just a disguise to go into hiding. Vilia is probably just one of those edit-wars people do where some people want to call him a guy and some want to call him a girl because they'll argue if him crossdressing to sneak into a female-only village is supposed to be serious trans identity or not.
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rehmhc



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:11 pm Reply with quote
It's obviously a reference to sci-fi editor Jacob Weisman and Tanith Lee the british science fiction and fantasy author.
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CrypticPurpose



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2022 7:35 pm Reply with quote
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While a lot of people have pointed out that $15,000 is a lot of money, it only is in the specific context of video game voice acting.

Or most other performance art jobs. She got angry over being offered a normal fee, no less than she had been paid in the past, and was then still not happy after they increased her offer by 50%. That's a lot. Per hour of work, it's a lot more than most people I know make, and they all spent years in education to get where they are too. It's not movie star money, but those folks are incredibly overpaid. I'm not going too sympathize with someone who looks down on a ~$1,000/hour salary when many hard working, well educated people don't even make 1/10th of that. It's not like she lives off of her VA work, she works in theater, this is just a side gig, and one that probably opened a lot of doors for her.

If she were campaigning for voice acting in general to be paid better, that would be different. Regardless, I'm sure that still works out to a better per-hour rate than most Japanese voice actors are paid. Voice acting as a main career is not sustainable for most people, since it rarely provides continuous employment, and unless you're a big star, it's basically gig work with some minor celebrity potential. Just like regular theater, TV or movie acting, it only pays well if you make it big, and few can afford to not have another steady job to pay the bills.

So yes, voice actors might be underpaid, but no more so than most other performance artists like musicians and theater actors, and no one is campaigning for them. Unless you're part of the 0.001% that hit stardom, it's the kind of job that has to be a labor of love rather than a career you can rely on.

Sorry for the rant, just had to get that off my chest.
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FinalVentCard
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:13 am Reply with quote
CrypticPurpose wrote:

So yes, voice actors might be underpaid, but no more so than most other performance artists like musicians and theater actors, and no one is campaigning for them.


Then you missed the entire "Performance Matters" protests back in 2016.

This isn't just Taylor getting on her high horse, voice actors getting particularly cheap-chiseled in voice acting is a long-standing issue. Her being a terrible person doesn't invalidate years' worth of actors demanding better treatment.
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Stelman257



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:53 am Reply with quote
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I do agree that it is a shame that things wound up the way they did with Taylor because a lot of bad-faith types are gonna be using it as ammo to claim that "everything is fine, keep your head down and keep consuming product."

Yeah, truly a shame man. Though I will admit, I’m kind of glad she keeps doubling down and making herself look worse. Hopefully it’ll get most people to realize the conversation about voice acting pay is legitimate, she’s just a looney is all. Her being anti-trans and supporting an anti-abortion charity really is the cherry on top.

Though you do love to see stuff like this:
https://twitter.com/thegamerwebsite/status/1586367298721484801?s=46&t=I4Bf4UHgD_ecedUWFZjqRQ
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FeelMyBlade



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:48 pm Reply with quote
Stelman257 wrote:
Yeah, truly a shame man. Though I will admit, I’m kind of glad she keeps doubling down and making herself look worse. Hopefully it’ll get most people to realize the conversation about voice acting pay is legitimate, she’s just a looney is all. Her being anti-trans and supporting an anti-abortion charity really is the cherry on top.


How so? None of her beliefs or views should be a factor here. So it seems weird not only does this article bring it up but now you are. Unless you're saying she deserves to be paid low or fired for her views, or doesn't deserve support because of them. If so, then it's best you not look up what abortion and transgender laws are like in Japan. You'd be pretty disappointed to find out what the average feeling towards those topics are by the people making these games. Especially considering reviews are saying Bayo 3 is homophobic. Sounds like people who make decisions based on politics are having a rough time which side to throw their lot in with.
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FinalVentCard
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 10:53 am Reply with quote
FeelMyBlade wrote:
How so? None of her beliefs or views should be a factor here. So it seems weird not only does this article bring it up but now you are.

Naw man, transphobia and pro-life is cringe.
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King Chicken



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:48 pm Reply with quote
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How so? None of her beliefs or views should be a factor here..

How new are you? There's a reason the phrase "There's no such thing as bad tactics, just bad targets" exist. So all of a sudden voice actor rights become far less important to them and they're willing to make an exception to side with big corporations on this one. Obviously Japan wouldn't care about something like that and her replacement is purely a money thing, but it's not surprising at all certain westerners would suddenly change their tune upon learning that fact. Happens all the time.
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