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Lord Geo
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:12 am
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To be fair, the opposite (i.e. "Why You Should Give the First Anime Adaptation a Chance") can absolutely be brought up, as well, especially since most people will only be familiar with a newer adaptation. Take Dororo, for example. The 2019 anime is an excellent series, but there's still tons of merit in seeing the 1969 anime, both in how it differs in reinterpreting the original manga as well as the fact that its staff reads like a who's-who of legendary anime directors.
Hunter x Hunter is also a great example, as while Madhouse's adaptation does go farther into the manga, Nippin Animation's adaptation before it carries with it a notably different mood & feel at points, even going as far as giving the York New arc theme songs that better match the darker & more serious feel, & the original bits added to the Hunter Exam early on are generally well regarded.
Also, if you want to see just how much things can improve, if you're a fan of Kanon's 2006 anime by Kyoto Animation, you can check out Toei's 2002 anime, which is apparently absolutely terrible & tries to adapt the same exact story in just half the length.
Really, I'm just trying to say that, when it comes to reboots, there is worth is checking out both, depending on how much you liked the one you saw first.
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Animeking1108
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:27 am
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Unfortunately, some shows, like FMA '03, are protected by a nostalgia bias so strong that people gatekeep the story from its own creator.
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SHD
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:43 am
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Animeking1108 wrote: | Unfortunately, some shows, like FMA '03, are protected by a nostalgia bias so strong that people gatekeep the story from its own creator. |
...are you serious? FMA:Brotherhood is hyped to high heavens, barely anyone talks about FMA '03 anymore, at least not without the intention of putting it down to hype Brotherhood even more.
(Which is a shame because it's a pretty damn good story on its own, regardless of how faithful it is to the manga.)
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Connor Dino
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:43 am
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Correct me if I'm wrong Fate fans, but the usage of "This Illusion" in the TV Unlimited Blade Works was not a homage to the Deen "Fate route" but a reference to the opening theme of the original visual novel? Deen'ss adaptation only using the song because they were, obviously, adapting the visual novel.
Therefore, if I'm right, I don't think it is accurate statement in this article to say ufotable referenced the Deen adaptation in any way. It is a more tangential/coincidental connection as they both were based on the same visual novel. Unless I am wrong?
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CrownKlown
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 12:01 pm
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Personally fate stay night was a good show and I'm at the point with the serious it's become more a mess than clamp verse and they should let it rest . Rather see something done with garden of sinners or more importantly tsukihime, which got an okay show back in the day. I'd really like to see melty blood adapted.
And holy smokes I did not know about yozaraku getting another show.
Speaking of reboots , I think tenchi could use one . Reboot it as a full show , the staggered ova releases did not really help . And the low episode count basically meant pacing was off and resulted in massive info dumps to kind of flesh out a lot at the expense of slice of life episodes people liked. War on geminar was probably the best of the post ova2 material and that was a 13 episode series with 45 minute episodes. So they could actually flesh out the work.
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MFrontier
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 12:02 pm
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Connor Dino wrote: | Correct me if I'm wrong Fate fans, but the usage of "This Illusion" in the TV Unlimited Blade Works was not a homage to the Deen "Fate route" but a reference to the opening theme of the original visual novel? Deen'ss adaptation only using the song because they were, obviously, adapting the visual novel.
Therefore, if I'm right, I don't think it is accurate statement in this article to say ufotable referenced the Deen adaptation in any way. It is a more tangential/coincidental connection as they both were based on the same visual novel. Unless I am wrong? |
I liked the second Opening for UBW but I feel like after using it at the end of the first cour...the LiSA cover of "This Illusion" should've been used as an Opening.
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tintor2
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 12:18 pm
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Something that confused me about the first Hunter x Hunter is that they made Kurapica and Leorio look like an ambiguous gay couple but in the Madhouse there is no such thing.
Still, the actual gay relationship that even Togashi pointed out in every version is Gon and Killua to the point that they even kiss during anime events when pointing out nen skills. Even the movies teased the two kids a lot.[/img]
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El Hermano
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 12:22 pm
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Was there some kind of pushback against anime reboots I was unaware of? Usually people are clamoring for remakes and do-overs for shows that get shafted of a proper adaption. Shaman King was one of those for the longest time, and I still see fans ask for new version of Soul Eater, Gash Bell, and other shows that suffer from premature/anime original endings. Anime seems to be one of the few mediums where reboots are not only loved, but often requested.
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kawaiibunny3
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 12:49 pm
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It's a good article, but I was kinda hoping there would be some expansion on older anime that keep getting rebooted for new audiences. Like Gegege no Kitaro, Cutey Honey, Tensai Bakabon or even that boom in the late 80's/early 90's where they remade a bunch of retro stuff from Sally the Witch to Norakuro-kun. I've always been curious to what the motivator to those reboots were, was it just the boom of anime & home video then?
Heck they're still making Osomatsu-san content and that's a reboot of one of the most popular 60's gag manga ever and it's nothing like the old shows or it's source material.
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Redbeard 101
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 12:53 pm
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I don't want anime to wind up being like Hollywood where anything and everything gets rebooted. Often times the older shows are classics and deserve to be left alone in their glory. Or the material being rebooted wasn't that great to begin with. Personally, I don't mind reboots as long as they're done for 1, or more, of a few specific reasons.
If the original material was never finished at the time of the original show's airing and now the source material can be adapted fully. Much like with FMA. I don't mind the original tv series for what it was. It was still very entertaining. The same goes with Hellsing. Being able to get the source material fully adapted though was nice so that we could see the full scope of what the author intended. Regardless if the previous animated version can stand on its own or not. Another example of this is the Sailor Moon franchise.
I think if a franchise has a bunch of disjointed releases scattered over time (hello Tenchi) a complete reboot to pull them all into one more streamlined airing is a good idea. Even if you're not changing that much of the material, just streamlining it into a more cohesive story can do the story wonders. Regardless if you're going to go a multi season tv route, or multi OVA count to do so.
The other reason for a reboot in my mind is if the original airing failed to do the source material justice. Now if the original material is considered a classic and stands the test of time leave it alone. Looking at you Hollywood with The Princess Bride, or even to a lesser extend Robocop and Total Recall. Don't make those mistakes Japan. If the source material had a lot of promise though, and the original animated version just squandered that promise then yea, go and reboot it. But do it right! So don't bother with a Tsukihime reboot, for example, unless you're going to do it right. Don't add insult to injury.
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Eriol_
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 12:54 pm
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Connor Dino wrote: | Correct me if I'm wrong Fate fans, but the usage of "This Illusion" in the TV Unlimited Blade Works was not a homage to the Deen "Fate route" but a reference to the opening theme of the original visual novel? Deen'ss adaptation only using the song because they were, obviously, adapting the visual novel.
Therefore, if I'm right, I don't think it is accurate statement in this article to say ufotable referenced the Deen adaptation in any way. It is a more tangential/coincidental connection as they both were based on the same visual novel. Unless I am wrong? |
I'm sure this is the case. "disillusion" as sung by Tainaka Sachi is a cover of "This Illusion" by Number201, from the Fate game soundtrack. As the name suggests, the track is used both as the game's opening, and as a musical motif inside the game, in scenes that exemplify the protagonist's and several of the heroines' search of fleeting dreams.
It was used in its intended way in the anime adaptations as well. The relationship seems at best tangential to me too.
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BadNewsBlues
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 12:56 pm
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SHD wrote: |
...are you serious? FMA:Brotherhood is hyped to high heavens, barely anyone talks about FMA '03 anymore, at least not without the intention of putting it down to hype Brotherhood even more.
(Which is a shame because it's a pretty damn good story on its own, regardless of how faithful it is to the manga.) |
I’ve seen ample support for both
You have people who like the old series because of how tragic and harsh it is.
While others like Brotherhood because of how it makes things fun and not as bleak and mostly gives everyone their happy ending even characters that didn’t live up til the finale in the original series.
Redbeard 101 wrote: |
I think if a franchise has a bunch of disjointed releases scattered over time (hello Tenchi) a complete reboot to pull them all into one more streamlined airing is a good idea. Even if you're not changing that much of the material, just streamlining it into a more cohesive story can do the story wonders. Regardless if you're going to go a multi season tv route, or multi OVA count to do so.
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Would Tenchi In Tokyo be included in a such a reboot?
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Hiroki not Takuya
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:27 pm
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I agree with other posters that the article seems to be arguing from a false premise and mention that there was a complete article here a year or two ago that covered this topic well. But what brought me in is your choice of thumbnail image for the article as I had to LOL for Promised Neverland2. That doesn't need a reboot, it needs a rewrite before that from what manga fans said. Does it deserve it? Hell yeah I say as a "casual" but since clues point to the S2 backers being to blame for the shoddy execution and the prospects of the author being amenable to a rewrite are dubious, there is no chance in h-ll that will happen unless there is a heck of a kickstarter/campfire campaign...
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meiam
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:35 pm
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Strange not to discuss the most obvious drawback of rebooting, it takes resource away from something else. In a vacuum there's no reason not to reboot something, but in the real world this means that money and talent that could have gone toward something (either an original or an adaptation of something that was never adapted) instead goes toward something that was already tried (often ending in failure).
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gumbaloom
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 3:35 pm
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Surprised SM Crystal hasn’t been mentioned yet now there is contentious for you
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