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Malsang
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 Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:50 pm
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This was a really cool article. I think I really like the approach of "write a novel first" -> "adapt into anime", since it means that the anime directors are fully aware of the rough outline of where the story will go and what elements to emphasize early on to strengthen that path. And because there is no expectation to be faithful to the source material, it allows the director / scriptwriter that crucial reflection period necessary to think "What did I like about the story? What didn't I like about it? And why?" And then make changes accordingly. Vivy wasn't perfect, but it was incredible to see an anime studio play its strengths so well. Barring an incredible fall season, it will easily be in my top 5 this year. I hope we see more anime-originals use a similar approach in the future.
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tintor2
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:37 pm
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The relationship between Grace and Saeki kinda reminds me to one of the biggest mysteries from Bladerunner but with quite a darker ending. They treated as those lovers who never get their goals and in this case the relationship went horribly wrong.
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Iron Maw
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:20 pm
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| Quote: | | This is honestly the kind of relationship I wish to see more often between anime and their source material. It's industry common sense to try to keep the anime as close to the original story as possible, making minor adjustments to suit the medium, but that also means that all too often anime adaptations feel like half-hearted copies. At the same time, it feels like this kind of ideal arrangement was only possible because there was no expectation to be faithful to a concept novel, and because the original writers wrote the anime screenplay as well. |
In a way you more or less described the relationship between FMA 2003 and FMA manga. Yes while FMA 2003 was traditional adaptation for 1/3rd for run really started branch off its own thing after the Greed arc, but it still echo same themes of its manga counterpart and later adaptation Brotherhood, but explored in a different way than sources. And kind of thing can definitely be fun when done right.
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Cloudywind
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:34 pm
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Really interesting article. All too often one finds "faithfulness" to be the primary yardstick that fans use to measure how good an adaptation is and while it can benefit when the source is strong, it's not always a be all end all. I wonder if, had the novels been widely available before the anime aired, the Vivy anime would have still been appreciated for its real strengths despite the significant changes.
I just have a quick question for Kim, does Vivy's version of the First Law actually omit the "or, through its own inaction, allow a human being to come to harm" part from the Asimov original? That could have so many interesting implications for ways that robots could cause harm to humans in the universe.
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Frog-kun
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:29 pm
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| Cloudywind wrote: | | I just have a quick question for Kim, does Vivy's version of the First Law actually omit the "or, through its own inaction, allow a human being to come to harm" part from the Asimov original? That could have so many interesting implications for ways that robots could cause harm to humans in the universe. |
Nice observation! What I wrote in the article is a translation of the three laws as they were listed in the novel, so yes it does omit the "or, through its own inaction, allow a human being to come to harm" part.
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Kaylee Smerbeck
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:35 pm
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So are these published formally or was this how they pitched
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Cloudywind
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:28 am
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| Frog-kun wrote: |
| Cloudywind wrote: | | I just have a quick question for Kim, does Vivy's version of the First Law actually omit the "or, through its own inaction, allow a human being to come to harm" part from the Asimov original? That could have so many interesting implications for ways that robots could cause harm to humans in the universe. |
Nice observation! What I wrote in the article is a translation of the three laws as they were listed in the novel, so yes it does omit the "or, through its own inaction, allow a human being to come to harm" part. |
Neat, thanks for the confirmation! So her trying to save Momoka could be still said to be fully by her own will rather than being a First Law imperative.
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