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omnistry
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"Paprika" doesn't get nominated; but that piece of crap film "Monster House" does?! WTF?!?!?
Also, the fact that "Borat" wasn't nominated for for best picture & actor is a crying shame. |
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Kiyoko
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I really think that with the new technology out there, the best animated feature should be split up into two catagories. Best 2-D animation feature film and best 3-D animation feature film. Not just anime, but all 2-D animation seems to be getting steamrolled by these 3-D "animated" films. The only catagory where 2-D still has a chance is in the Animated Short catagory. But I know the Academy will never split the two types, as I heard a lot of people complained they added in a feature-length animated film catagory to begin with.
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StickyToffeePopcorn
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Looks like a film with cute characters and predictable storyline with the occaisional "adult" jokes thrown in there will always appeal more to people with kids.
This annoys me. |
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Keonyn
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I've seen and own Monster House and completely disagree that it's a "piece of crap". While you might believe so the sad fact of the matter is that your opinion is only your opinion and doesn't equal fact or anything close to it. I haven't seen Paprika, to my knowledge it hasn't even hit theaters so I'm not sure how it'd even qualify for an award anyways although I'm not all that familiar with nomination qualifications.
Anyways, it's the same thing every year. An anime doesn't win or isn't nominated and many fans begin to foam at the mouth demonstrating a type of closed mindedness that seems to equal what they accuse others of. I'm just waiting for the obligatory conspiracy thoeries to show up now, then this will truly be an awards discussion thread.
Okay, looks like anime will always appeal more to anime fans. Your point? People are drawn in by different things, why does the fact different people like different things annoy you? So you don't like what they like and you just happen to be in a niche market and a minority, last I checked the people of the world are not required to follow your lead. Is it right for people to get annoyed and comment on your like of anime? Considering how often I see that discussed here I'd guess not. Last edited by Keonyn on Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:16 am; edited 3 times in total |
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Onizuka666
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I'm amazed by this news, but at the same time not surprised. It seems to me that the so called Oscar are very flawed in their nomination practices. Like you said Cars and Monster house are average to cheesy films, but or some reason they feel the need to give them something. It shouldn't all be about commercial success.
I've also felt for a while now that there's a bigger agenda at work here too, and that's to hold the strength of anime back from getting awards, after Miyazaki managed to get one. On top of that I feel its Hollywood studios hidden agenda, to hold animation back as just fodder for children and families and little else. Films like Appleseed (and FF:TSW & FF:AC), show what capable with CG and/or anime combined and studio execs know that soon, with the ever building power of anime the best is yet to come from the east. When Battle Angel and Gatchaman films are out, hopefully the CG film will come of age to more serious stories. |
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StickyToffeePopcorn
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It's just annoying that a chance for some anime publicity is passed up, and when all the nominated films are so similar. It's not surprising, but since Paprika was one of my favourite films of last year I find it disappointing; I didn't think Cars or Happy Feet would've made for tough competition.
I was wrong :c
I know what you mean, and I don't want to sound like a blind fan of only anime, but I'm not going to hide the fact that I'm disappointed, especially since I disliked half of the nominees so much. I'm not trying to blast everybody else's opinion, but I am disappointed that Paprika didn't get the recognition an Oscar would've provided. Last edited by StickyToffeePopcorn on Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:25 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Torhu_San
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Perhaps there needs to be a foreign animation catagory as a counterpart to the foreign film one. IMO, Happy Feet was a 90 minute waste of my life. I want that time back!!!!
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naruto fan 09812
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I really do not care for the Oscars what is the big different between the Oscars and the Golden Globes. Futhermore,most of these movies that get nominate I have not even seen and its a crying shame that Borat did not get nominate because its a great movie. The only movie that I really care for in the Oscars is Miss Sunshine it is best movie I had ever seen. So,what that Paprika did not get nomination it do not change the that fact its good.
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Julia-the-Great
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I think it's a shame that you can get away with hiding a weak plot under CGI and all the critics will start spewing praise over it. Sure, Cars looked pretty; I'll admit that the CGI animation was pretty amazing at times. But the fact is that Cars is just not that good of a movie. (Besides the fact that I wasn't able to suspend my disbelief long enough to actually accept the fact that a world could be made up of nothing but cars. Come ON, they're CARS! They don't have hands, there is no freakin' way they'd be able to build things!)
I've found I have a growing distate for movies in general. A lot of big-name movies are relying too heavily on CGI. It seems that lately, the best movies are independent films with lower budgets. I wish Hollywood would start caring less about making a buck and start caring more about creating art. |
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Raz_G
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I'm no conspiracy theorist - as I mentioned in a previous thread, I think the reason such predictable choices are made for nominees in this category is the fact that there's no specific branch of animators in the academy, and the people who vote in it are most probably people who have no broad knowledge of animation. It seems that "different" films like Paprika or Scanner Darkly turn them off. To their credit, though - last year's nominees in the category (Wallace & Gromit, Corpse Bride, Howl's Moving Castle) did consist entirely of features you wouldn't consider mainstream. And let's not forget that Spirited Away did win the award, and that it happened in the second year it was given. As for hoping to see more anime nominated - I think this has more to do with the procedure of submitting films rather than people's tastes. I remember reading (in ANN, I think) an item posted in the first year the award was given, about how Urban Vision tried pushing the VHD: Bloodlust film for nomination but just couldn't handle all the paperwork (not that I think this kind of film had a chance to get nominated, still...). Most anime distributors probably don't have the manpower for pushing their films into the shortlist (and than there's running a campaign to get nominated). Miyazaki and Kon are very fortunate, in this respect, to have big studios who handle the distribution of their films - let's face it, if it wasn't for Sony, Paprika wouldn't even get as far as being shortlisted. |
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samuraiwalt
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The difference is Borat won a Golden Globe. |
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Keonyn
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They are made that way because that is what sells. Again, while you are a fan of anime and others might wonder why, there are fans of these types of movies and likewise you are wondering why. People really need to accept the fact that while you may not like something and don't see any merit in it doesn't mean others see it the same way. Like it or not you're in a minority, as great as you think anime is there are many who just don't agree with you, it's the result of independent thought. As for Hollywood not making artistic movies, I think you're generalizing a bit there, I might as well turn around and say that anime is nothing but softcore porn, fighting robots, fanservice and long drawn out fighting moves. It really amazes me how the attitude so many fans accuse the rest of the world of having towards them mirrors itself so efficiently. This year saw many great films that are more than weak CG fests, from Casino Royale to The Illusionist and V for Vendetta, The Prestige, A Prairie Home Companion, PotC(good film with good CG), WTC, and the list goes on. While there's no doubt there's no shortage of garbage thrown in there, that's no different from anime either, of all the anime that comes out in Japan every year there's no shortage of garbage amongst that as well. If you look at it objectively the ratio's are really not all that different.
Now this I can agree with and you may very well be right about that. There's no doubt that in the end even these awards come down to opinions, and those who are voting may not be the best people to cast votes just as I wouldn't trust most anime fans to cast votes objectively either to be honest. Ideally it'd be best if the animation portion was voted on by people in the animation industry on a global scale, including US and Japanese but it's unlikely that will ever happen. Last edited by Keonyn on Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:07 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Unholy_Nny
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That made me lol. I prefer American CGI films over all three that you mentioned, Spirits Within sucked, Appleseed sucked, and Advent Children was cool, but nothing much besides that. [/opinion] It's sad that it didn't get nominated, but no one will take non-children animation seriously unless they're a fan of it. The only reason Spirited Away won was because it was a children's film, if Paprika was a children's film it would have had a better chance at getting nominated, too. Anyways.... I think they should split it into the two catagories.... But when was the last time you saw an American made animated film that wasn't CGI?(No, direct-to-video films do not count) Personally, I hate CGI.... It's OK for a film every once in awhile, but it's over-saturated the animated film market. |
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MasterQuatre
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They may be ignorant to anime, but at least they have a sense of what when a bad movie comes along. (Borat) Also, comedies have a very hard time winning Best Picture, lest it actually be nominated. Edit: Wow, Little Miss Sunshine got a nomination for Best Picture. That's slightly surprising, but I also heard it was very good. I can't say it is because I never saw it. 
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Julia-the-Great
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I think you're taking what I'm saying wrong. I'm not one of those "Anime is so much greater than anything in America because it is anime and it's the greatest thing on earth!" That's not what I'm saying. I'll agree, there's just as much crap in anime as there is in America. And I understand that that kind of stuff sells, I'm just saying that there needs to be more care and thought given into movies. And I'm not saying that ALL CGI movies are bad, I'm just saying that there are too many movies relying on CGI to cover up the fact that the plot isn't as strong as it could be. |
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