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ryujin jakka
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Excuse my harsh language but, That is the shittiest excuse for editing I have ever heard. If any thing all they have done is turn more fans away from buying the US Version of the Tenjo Tenge manga, which I belive was a very bad Idea on there part, and is the same reason why I don't support CMX or DC comics. I think it is costing them more than they let on too. This is just my own opinon!
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GATSU
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Since when?
Then why do you have Vertigo?
Battle Royale and Berserk say otherwise...
And yet how do you explain manga outselling your domestic titles 10-to-1?
What if the larger number of people don't like it anyway? |
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ryujin jakka
Posts: 156 Location: Kansas City, Missouri |
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Exactly, They made a Mistake and they don't know how to fix it. plain and simple. So who cares if you bring manga to a larger Aduaince, if they are put off by the edits you have succeded in only costing your self more money. Good Job DC! Mr. DC Man-Boo to you sir, Boo.
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Dejiko
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Darn, and here I was hoping they'd finally gotten the message. Oh well, I suppose they can delay the inevitable just a bit longer if it strokes their marketing peewee. Too bad I'll be spending my money elsewhere until then.
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ryujin jakka
Posts: 156 Location: Kansas City, Missouri |
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At this point, I download it. I am not big into downloading but it it screws over some part of DC then I am happy.
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HitokiriShadow
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Then don't license titles that fall outside your "limited range." Don't edit the hell out a title aimed at adults so you could market it to pre-teens. If you didn't like the limited scope that title could reach, you shouldn't have licensed it at all.
Awwww.... that's so sad. 
License something else instead and leave titles like TenTen to someone else.
Ken Akamatsu didn't seem to mind his tiny sales by keeping all of the fanservice. 
Translation: We'll make our 'partners' sign off on any changes we do since they won't really care and even if they do, we'll just convince them that it not editing it would limit our sales and thus we couldn't pay them as much for the license if we can't edit it. |
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v1cious
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so i'm guessing Oh Great! hasn't seen what they've done yet, i can't wait til he eventually comes over here. Alan Moore anyone? |
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BigHurtBrad
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Just to make a counter argument, but you do realize that the online community is not the majority of DC's audience for anything they produce, including manga? I'd guess that at least half of those that have bought Tenjho Tenge from CMX have no clue that it's editted.
I don't support the edits, but from what I've seen they're not that major. They cover up the nudity (Which was already eliminated in the anime adaptation) and do a few more things to tame it. If they do more than I'm acknowledging, than I apologize as I've only watched the anime and not read the manga. And I thought Oh! Great condoned the changes. But whatever. |
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hagakure|returns
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They arn't making bank, but they are making enough to release new volume every other month. If it had sold very poorly, the title would have been cancle by now. So it's not as bad as you think.
Actually you aren't screwing DC over because they aren't even aware (less they don't care) what you're doing. It's funny and even ridiculous on how people think this way. The best way to let DC know is to write them a letter, go to convention to give your disapprove or buy their other mature title to let 'em know that their is a market for it and what they did with TenTen is stupid (I'm sure they are aware of it by now). Not only that it's simply disrespectful to the original mangaka (oh Great) that his work is pirated even though he/his company license it out. I'm not happy with TenTen's edit either. Simply downloading it when it's officially license doesn't tell 'em anything other than saying I'm a theif. Just buy something else and move on. Last edited by hagakure|returns on Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:29 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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GATSU
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Brad:
Judging by the numerous scantalations for Tenjho Tenge, I'd disagree.
Like change(i.e. Americanize and dumb down) dialogue.
Oh! Great doesn't really have a choice in the matter. |
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shrinknerv
Posts: 3 Location: Pennsylvania |
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When an artist condones editing, it's only begrudgingly. They would rather their art distributed unedited, buut the distributor holds the keys, and if they refuse, their art doesn't get spread. "Just covering up nudity" is an extremely harsh offense. An anime adaptation is far different from a manga translation. The anime is a work unto itself, merely based off of the manga. The creator of the anime chose to tone down his anime. That is not the case with the translated manga. The creator, Oh! Great, created his Japanese version super racy. It would make no sense that he wants it drawn all over and fixed. Additionally, the edits are not just artistic, they are also plot related. The sexual dialog is toned down and altered, which changes the actual storyline. That worked in the old days of anime, when it was disrespected, but now, that is a capital punishment for anime or manga. DC's answer to this answer sickens me. Part of the excuse is that "Part of the challenge is sometimes you're acquiring a series before it's finished. It may change over the course of its life and that will always be a certain amount of challenge." This is pure bull. From the first volume alone, there is nudity and rape scene. In that same paragraph, they mention, "We're going to think hard if we're going to choose to have a series where they'd really like to see an unedited version," which also doesn't make sense. Oh! Great was known before for writing and illustrating hentai before Tenjho Tenge. Why would you take out the sex and nudity? They say themselves that their chief reason for the edits is greed. To hit the widest audience as possible at the expense of artistic integrity. Disgustiing. It should be noted too that DC still refused to apologize. Childish behavior for a major comic book distributor. |
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hagakure|returns
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DC offer him or his company a sum of money and condition on what they're gonna do with TenTen.
Being in Oh Great's or the company's shoe, he really has 2 choices: They can take the money and license it out under those condition and see how it sales or They can simply past and wait for another company to take license it. I guess it all comes down to money sometimes and I know how important it is for "some" artist to want to keep his art the way he intend it to be but then there are other artist that are doing it for several other reason such as fame/wealth etc. It's a great honor for many japanese mangaka to have their work publish in the US. Many people forget that a lot of mangaka draw manga for a living. Peachpit comes to mind for some reason. Last edited by hagakure|returns on Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:55 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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Abarenbo Shogun
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Wow. Just.............................Wow.
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emory
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Holy sh...how many times does CMX need to be interviewed before people are convinced that THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DISTRIBUTE AN UNEDITED VERSION?!
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HitokiriShadow
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At this point, no one really expects them to. In fact, if you bother to read the posts, you'll notice that no one is even discussing whether or not they will. |
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