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daichi383



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:24 pm Reply with quote
I'm just glad that i don't have to dread Funimation getting exclusive rights to anything anymore. Their prices are reasonable too so the subscription isn't too bad on top of Crunchyroll and Netflix.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:05 pm Reply with quote
I think the question was more directed at the fact that a number of titles (Some the US already has, but also several that still aren't solicited in the US) have actually popped up on Amazon UK recently with Funimation's name attached, and whether or not this means they're expanding into physical UK sales (assuming it's not a fluke, of course).

Example:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Show-Rock-Complete-Season-Blu-ray/dp/B01EVFG2E2/

However, included among these are at least two titles that belong to Anime Limited (Brother's Conflict and Ninja Slayer). It could just be that they'll be picking up the slack on Funimation titles now, though it's odd that they're all listed under Funi's name, unless they're just distributing Funimation releases as-is or something, rather than producing their own sets.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:49 pm Reply with quote
Funimation have been active in the UK before - up until they began sub-licensing exclusively to Manga UK they distributed in the UK first via MVM, then later (after they were bought by Navarre) through Revelation Films. The MVM-distributed discs were distinct from MVM's own titles in that they had different SKUs, which were identical to Funimation's US discs (e.g. FP0309/0704400030956 for Fruits Basket vol. 1; compare with release#770)

Justin would know better than most, so if he says they're working with Anime Limited ("for example") then that is probably the case, but these are distinct from Anime Limited's regular releases in terms of how they are listed on Amazon (and they are from slightly higher up in Lace Digital's EAN range, although that in itself doesn't mean anything since Anime Limited's releases have skipped before)

This is how the lineup looks at present (unless any more have popped up in the last couple of hours): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q8m5IByxVlXtIZIXwpOfNHtAmMlp-I1BWT5Ya7qQ42A/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=0&fvid=1221185790
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SageModeKakarot



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:39 pm Reply with quote
thing is i really hope this is true because Fairy Tail has parts 10, 11 and 12 have shown up on Amazon UK under the funimation lable too and i really want to get more Fairy Tail
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 2:48 pm Reply with quote
Thank you for answering a question entirely about our territory! The fact we are seeing content like this on the main ANN site can only bode well.

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The UK market has a lot of its own unique challenges [...] perhaps most importantly, fees associated with the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC), which is a mandatory ratings process for all home video product that charges by the minute of content. Those fees can really add up!

I sometimes wonder whether the economic case could be made for rendering BBFC ratings optional for smaller distributors. Under a system more resemblant of those used in the United States or Australia, smaller publishers would face less of an obstacle to releasing their titles in print. Furthermore, niche content tends not to enrage the Daily Mail doom-mongers as much as it may once have done.
spoiler[To illustrate the problem of the status quo, the BBFC's London offices seem suspiciously plush whenever I walk past them, whereas I have yet to see any employee of a British anime distributor wearing a suit.]
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:18 pm Reply with quote
SageModeKakarot wrote:
thing is i really hope this is true because Fairy Tail has parts 10, 11 and 12 have shown up on Amazon UK under the funimation lable too and i really want to get more Fairy Tail
You can import them from Australia. They have a collection called guild collection, that is rougly around like 40 episodes or something in a box set.

If yiu buy it from this guy: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fairy-Tail-Guild-Collection-3-Eps-97-142-DVD-NEW-Region-4-/262285976105?hash=item3d11766229:g:2hIAAOSwx-9W0HBU you wont pay import fees. Of course you do need a region free DVD player. But a PC with a HDMI cable connected to a tv works too. Honestly i import a lot of my anime from Aussie to Europe when the price is right.

I bought it myself because i was tired of waiting for the next release. I didn't had any hope left for Uk releases. Next month collection 4 gets released, that means all 175 episodes are released in this Guild collection releases.

Zin5ki wrote:
Thank you for answering a question entirely about our territory! The fact we are seeing content like this on the main ANN site can only bode well.

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The UK market has a lot of its own unique challenges [...] perhaps most importantly, fees associated with the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC), which is a mandatory ratings process for all home video product that charges by the minute of content. Those fees can really add up!

I sometimes wonder whether the economic case could be made for rendering BBFC ratings optional for smaller distributors. Under a system more resemblant of those used in the United States or Australia, smaller publishers would face less of an obstacle to releasing their titles in print. Furthermore, niche content tends not to enrage the Daily Mail doom-mongers as much as it may once have done.
spoiler[To illustrate the problem of the status quo, the BBFC's London offices seem suspiciously plush whenever I walk past them, whereas I have yet to see any employee of a British anime distributor wearing a suit.]


I asked this question because i found Funimation DVD releases on Amazon UK and wanted to know if ANN know anything about it. Since i didn't hear that besides their streaming service they as well enter the psyhical market in the UK>

If its true im not sure if im happy or not. I dont like the Funimation combo (blu-ray/dvd) releases. I mainly only buy DVD because of the costs.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:41 pm Reply with quote
doubleO7 wrote:
I think the question was more directed at the fact that a number of titles (Some the US already has, but also several that still aren't solicited in the US) have actually popped up on Amazon UK recently with Funimation's name attached, and whether or not this means they're expanding into physical UK sales (assuming it's not a fluke, of course).

Example:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Show-Rock-Complete-Season-Blu-ray/dp/B01EVFG2E2/

However, included among these are at least two titles that belong to Anime Limited (Brother's Conflict and Ninja Slayer). It could just be that they'll be picking up the slack on Funimation titles now, though it's odd that they're all listed under Funi's name, unless they're just distributing Funimation releases as-is or something, rather than producing their own sets.


This is actually an interesting point. In another example, Code Geass: Akito the Exiled is listed on Amazon UK with an English dub, although from Kaze UK. It was going to be released in March, but is now going for a December release. I can assume Funimation will release theirs before then, but they refused to comment when I asked.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:46 pm Reply with quote
Gemnist wrote:

This is actually an interesting point. In another example, Code Geass: Akito the Exiled is listed on Amazon UK with an English dub, although from Kaze UK. It was going to be released in March, but is now going for a December release. I can assume Funimation will release theirs before then, but they refused to comment when I asked.


Releasing an Funimation title before Funimation released it is just bloody stupid lol. Yea Madman Aussie, Im talking to you xD.

It gets a dub, no doubt.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:27 pm Reply with quote
Zin5ki wrote:
Thank you for answering a question entirely about our territory! The fact we are seeing content like this on the main ANN site can only bode well.

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The UK market has a lot of its own unique challenges [...] perhaps most importantly, fees associated with the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC), which is a mandatory ratings process for all home video product that charges by the minute of content. Those fees can really add up!

I sometimes wonder whether the economic case could be made for rendering BBFC ratings optional for smaller distributors. Under a system more resemblant of those used in the United States or Australia, smaller publishers would face less of an obstacle to releasing their titles in print. Furthermore, niche content tends not to enrage the Daily Mail doom-mongers as much as it may once have done.


I believe the BBFC looked into scaling fees towards the size of the business paying for them. The government told them they could only do it if they got approval from everyone involved. You can guess how that went...

I'd also note that given their recent reduction in material that can be classified as exempt and the opt-out internet censorship of "extreme material", and the manner that was presented to the public, we can assume the government has no interest in relaxing "censorship" rules any time soon.

TheMorry wrote:
Gemnist wrote:

This is actually an interesting point. In another example, Code Geass: Akito the Exiled is listed on Amazon UK with an English dub, although from Kaze UK. It was going to be released in March, but is now going for a December release. I can assume Funimation will release theirs before then, but they refused to comment when I asked.


Releasing an Funimation title before Funimation released it is just bloody stupid lol. Yea Madman Aussie, Im talking to you xD.

It gets a dub, no doubt.


Kaze licenced it directly off Japan (I believe Sunrise is the licensor), so it's not a Funimation title in the UK. Any dub Funimation produce automatically and contractually belongs to the licensor and not Funimation. Why the heck shouldn't the UK get it first? How bloody entitled...
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:14 pm Reply with quote
Buzz201 wrote:


Kaze licenced it directly off Japan (I believe Sunrise is the licensor), so it's not a Funimation title in the UK. Any dub Funimation produce automatically and contractually belongs to the licensor and not Funimation. Why the heck shouldn't the UK get it first? How bloody entitled...


That second one makes no sense. Funimation produced the dub, why wouldn't it be theirs. It's not Toei owns all one million English dubs of DBZ (even the Big Green one). The thing with Sunrise makes some sense though. As for why America should have before Britain, again, they would produce the dub, so naturally it should be ready for them first. I just really hope it gets dubbed, although Sunrise seems to want to license it for themselves (a la Gundam IBO), which is why Buddy Complex never got dubbed. FYI though, Micah and Trina should totally play Akito and Leila respectively.
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Buzz201



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:21 pm Reply with quote
Gemnist wrote:
That second one makes no sense. Funimation produced the dub, why wouldn't it be theirs. It's not Toei owns all one million English dubs of DBZ (even the Big Green one). The thing with Sunrise makes some sense though. As for why America should have before Britain, again, they would produce the dub, so naturally it should be ready for them first. I just really hope it gets dubbed, although Sunrise seems to want to license it for themselves (a la Gundam IBO), which is why Buddy Complex never got dubbed. FYI though, Micah and Trina should totally play Akito and Leila respectively.


This is a contractual thing that's part of the licence agreement, I believe Toei will own all recent DBZ dubs and subtitles track, even if somebody else produced it (though depending on whether they had foresight or not, it might not stretch to all of the DBZ dubs). This was added to contracts to prevent there from being legal issues with access to the dubs in future years. It's an industry standard practice, and will certainly be the case with Code Geass: Akito the Exiled.

This caused some friction earlier in the year, when it emerged the UK would be getting both the original dub and Funimation's new redub for Escaflowne in HD, despite not contributing to the Kickstarter, and the US only getting the redub in HD. And there was nothing Funimation could do about it, as Sunrise own the dub and not them....
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We have also been receiving some questions about the usage of the new English dub in other territories, Please note that contractually, any dub that is created for Escaflowne, even one created by Funimation and funded by fans through Kickstarter, is still owned by Sunrise, and access to and usage of the dub in various territories is not controlled by us. (This is actually part of the reason we even get access to the original Escaflowne dub in the first place!)


Your post read like you thought it was disgusting for the UK to get the title before the US, if Kaze are ready and the dub files have been given to them, why shouldn't they release it before the US?


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TheMorry wrote:
Releasing an Funimation title before Funimation released it is just bloody stupid lol. Yea Madman Aussie, Im talking to you xD.

Madman announced it and had the first volume out months before Funimation announced anything, so it wasn't a "Funimation title" at the time.

Gemnist wrote:
That second one makes no sense. Funimation produced the dub, why wouldn't it be theirs.

To quote Funimation themselves, from the Escaflowne kickstarter:
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We have also been receiving some questions about the usage of the new English dub in other territories, Please note that contractually, any dub that is created for Escaflowne, even one created by Funimation and funded by fans through Kickstarter, is still owned by Sunrise, and access to and usage of the dub in various territories is not controlled by us. (This is actually part of the reason we even get access to the original Escaflowne dub in the first place!)
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:56 pm Reply with quote
I don't think it is likely Funimation will start streaming in Australia. We already have 2 dedicated australia and new zealand only anime streaming services and one of them AnimeLab, run by Madman entertainment, have deals in place with funimation and have worked with them for a long time.
Seems safe to bet funimation won't try and get into the Australian market just mainly because Madman is so strong here, regardless of any deals they have that could expire like in the case of manga entertainment UK.

Also animelab is probably the best anime streaming service i have seen so far in terms of the video player and the website design. Not much content in comparison to a crunchyroll. But way better for the previous reasons i mentioned. Like the fact you can actually stream at 1080p on consoles whether as crunchyroll does 720p max and constantly drops out...
Man I hate crunchyroll. They have great shows but their video player is trash.
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Ah, the BBFC. Hurting small companies with mandatory ratings and charging for them, inconsistent ratings, giving your video game rating duties to a group that has no idea what the heck they're doing...is there anything you can't do? Rolling Eyes

All those shows being listed under distributor "Funimation" certainly gives the impression they're trying to make a splash in the UK. Hopefully the prices don't kill them, especially when they've got a ton of broadcast dubs and other stuff.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:21 am Reply with quote
I guess only the Future can tell if Funimation will be streaming in other English speaking territories or not. Confused
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