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khemjai2012
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYGj7pmb93A&feature=g-u-u&context=G2fc438fFUAAAAHgAAAA
Watch and share if you are an anime fan. I buy anime whenever I can but being a college student leaves me with limited funds. I do however, have netflix. Just finished my Code Geass anime collection as well ^^ [EDIT: Made your title description more specific. -TK] |
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TitanXL
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To clarify even more, he means the American anime industry, which is different from the Japanese industry.
[EDIT: Thanks for that clarification. Added that to the title. -TK] |
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Divineking
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Well pretty much everything on this vid is true to life, and he's surprisingly well informed about it too. I'd hope something like this would get a lot of views and be taken seriously, but I doubt it will have much impact.
Still, it's at least good to spread the word. |
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TurnerJ
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Yes, lots and lots of Anime fans really need to hear about this. If they don't stop with their illegal ways, then the consequences will be very fatal. And I don't wanna see that happen. I too am making a stand against piracy.
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padd100
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eh, that was a good rant! I was about to say "oh look, another one of these crybabies", but the arguments were well made and painted a good picture rather than just another one of those "YOU NEED TO BUY MORE DVD NAO!!!111" kinda videos. thank you for spreading the word
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ArsenicSteel
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Let me get this straight. The assumption is that if there's less American money flowing into Japan via anime that there will also be less anime aimed at America like Baccano and Cowboy Bebop. Sorry but I don't see how American or not-Japan as a locale necessarily aims shows like that at Americans nor do I see why a Japanese anime producer would intentionally make a show that would flop in Japan just to make a few pennies on the dollar by way of distribution royalties. The middle slog of his video is almost all hindsight views of the anime he picked out.
Please for the love of whatever god you worship if you are going to prattle on about how badly paid people are, use numbers at some point instead of a hyperbolic analogy to minimum wage workers are Walmart. I am getting pretty desensitized at the concept of "starving artist" thanks to films like Confessions of a Superhero. When telling a sad story or pleading for emotional reactions, tell the truth. Getting free, fast pirated copies of show is a universal problem for all video products. I can get the latest Game of Thrones episode or number 1 box office movie within hours of release, way way faster than the fastest fansubber or stream rip. I don't want the American anime industry to die, I don't think it is dying, but capitalism must prevail. |
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Eruanna
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This isnt just a problem with the anime industry (here or Japan), this is a problem with the entire film and television industry everywhere.
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Ggultra2764
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While I can agree with the logic of the arguments in the video, it doesn't explain how there are older and very niche anime titles that are not as likely to picked up by licensors and legal streaming sites due either to their age or not being as appealing to the majority of anime fans. While it's good to buy or watch a title if there are legal means of obtaining it, I don't really feel like mortgaging off a home just to obtain imports for titles like Touch and Legend of the Galactic Heroes that are only available to American anime fans via illegal fansubs.
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ikillchicken
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That's kinda the point innit? If the R1 market is worth mere pennies then obviously there's no incentive to care about it. If however the R1 industry thrives and licensing is worth a bundle (like it used to be) then there is an incentive to create content with more international appeal. |
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ArsenicSteel
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I am referring to American appeal because that is what the clip discusses. The clip makes it seem as if shows that failed in Japan but succeeded in America would be on the chopping block in the event of the American anime industry's death. To me the success and failings of those shows are after the fact conclusions that don't support the claim that anime not set in Japan would be reduced in production more than anime that is set in Japan. Being set in America and being popular in America are things those select shows have in common but the clip also alludes that being set in America causes popularity in America, it does not.
Pennies on the dollar, fraction of the sale, share of the profit..all the same. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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I don't the find "if we buy more anime they'll make another Cowboy Bebop!" argument compelling. They made Michiko to Hatchin recently, which has tons of appeal to western audiences. Not only did it sell terribly in Japan, but it was never licensed in America either, and it's an anime with his precious Shinichiro Watanabe's involvement. For some people, the rise of high budget series with a focus on moe isn't a bad thing either. The only reason Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, and Trigun came in to such prominence in America is directly due to their TV runs. Almost any from that time period anime could have replaced those if they played it here: Crest of the Stars, Betterman, Gasaraki, Nadesico, Silent Mobius and countless others.
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padd100
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I don't think being set in America is the only thing that is appealing, but also the totally different styles that make them stand out from your usual Japanese anime. Cowboy bebop seems to draw its roots equal parts film noir, spaghetti western, and 70's cop show. Baccano is more reminiscent of a Tarantino flick than anything Japanese related and samurai champloo? Well that ones obvious. I also think its no coincidence that we've been seeing less of these types of shows, while having the recent trend being moe and slice of life |
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Animegomaniac
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I hope they don't make another Cowboy Bebop; I couldn't make it through the first one. I've come to realize that many people treat anime as a genre, rather than a medium. This matters because the ones that succeed outside of Japan are the ones that can form a genre. Certainly, there's a common theme between the three successes you mentioned so I would say that other western successes would need 1) Action centered around a single idiot hero 2) Stylized actionized suspense run at the correct time to hit "adult" sensibilites or 3) Sailor Moon. And yeah, they would need to be seen on TV rather than sought after over the net. What I like is {checks shelf} everything else. Horror gag romance slice of life scifi fantasy series about giant samurai alien robots fighting sick moe cyborg ninja girls with guns in order to win the high school sports festival. It's a niche genre, yeah. |
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ikillchicken
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The fact that it wasn't licensed is indeed mind boggling. To such an extent in fact that that I'm almost certain there's some kind of legal hangup there. The fact that it was made at all still supports the argument though. Or, better yet, forget M&H and look at the more glaring example: Samurai Champloo. It essentially is "another Cowboy Bebop". Do you really think a show like that would get made if they weren't thinking about the American market? No. It wouldn't. But of course, in 2004 we were at the height of the boom, licensing was worth a bundle, and it made sense for them to think about American fans. |
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killmyself
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It doesn't sell mostly because it is a shitty product. Almost every dubbed show has terrible voice acting and I refuse to pay for that. You don't deserve to make money for doing a terrible job. I support CR because they aren't trying to screw me like every dubbing company is.
Japanese companies aren't deciding what to make based on whether they think it will do well in america those shows were created because they thought they would do well in japan. The shows that are the most popular here are action adventure in fantasy worlds for kids and teens anyways not shows like Baccano. |
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