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balla
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 1:09 pm
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Have you ever been watching a series and then all of a sudden it start to plumet and drop to the ground. If so talk about your expieriences, I am going to start Kenhin this week and I hear a lot of after eps 62 it turns into crap. I'll watch all 95 eps and decide for myself.
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lianncoop
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 1:30 pm
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This topic seems vaguely familiar...
Well, the only one I can think off the top of my head is Ai Yori Aoshi. The relationship between Kaoru and Aoi was very strong; the first three episodes had me completely absorbed in their devotion to each other. My hopes were high. However, with the introduction of Tina in episode 4 or 5, I just banged my head into my desk and asked why.
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Angel Lily
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 2:05 pm
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For me it was the end of the first Pokemon movie. I mean come on earasing everyone's memories of the events that just doesn't make sence.
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Craeyst Raygal
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 3:04 pm
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Agreed, Liancoop. The series starts out as Oh! My Goddess and quickly nosedives to Love Hina.
It does battle back to affirm itself as a romance first, though. It's not a bad series, but if it hadn't gotten mixed up in the harem antics it would've been a great one.
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Tony K.
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 3:24 pm
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balla wrote: | I am going to start Kenhin this week and I hear a lot of after eps 62 it turns into crap. I'll watch all 95 eps and decide for myself. |
I hope you at least know what happens in the manga, Jinchuu, that is. And for good measure, watch Tsuioku-hen after episode 62. It makes more sense and is refreshing after seeing how it ties in with the Kyoto arc a little . Enjoy the series!
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jfrog
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 3:38 pm
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Watching Innocence: Ghost in the Shell was like that. Right when you think they're going to advance the plot, or explain what's going on, or do something even remotely interesting, they start quoting philosophers again.
Rin Taro movies are also often disappointing. Harmagedon became drastically worse in its second half, and Dagger of Kamui just got ridiculous when they started fighting cowboys and meeting Mark Twain.
I think the most I was let down in an anime TV series was Niea_7. It started out fine, and the serious episodes towards the end were pretty good, but the funny bits that filled up the entire middle section just...weren't. And I wasn't so hot on the labyrinthine conspiracy theories in the middle of Lain, either.
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abunai
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:02 pm
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I'm not sure I'd call NieA_7 a letdown, jfrog - except in so far as the series never really seemed to go anywhere. But the ambience was great.
For me, the greatest letdown was Kareshi Kanojo no Jijou. The way it just went all to hell at the end of the series was such a pity, considering the overall quality of the preceding material. I realise the circumstances (the TV series caught up to the manga, etc.) - but it still seems as if they just lost the will to continue.
Another seriously disappointing anime was .hack//SIGN - a series I can best liken to a beautifully-wrapped but essentially empty package.
Serial Experiments Lain wasn't a letdown to me, for the reason that I wan't expecting much to begin with. From the start, it struck me as what I call a "mumbo-jumbo story".
Typical of this quasi-genre is a tendency to load tons of obscure references and conspiracy theories and mysticism into the storyline, in a futile attempt to disguise the fact that the story is a lame duck. Other examples of this are X-Files, Twin Peaks, The Matrix (and its awful sequelae), Neon Genesis Evangelion, etc. This is not to say that such films/series can't be fun to watch - but they are always flawed by a lack of commitment to providing a coherent and solid story.
Of course, what really bugs me about them are the hordes of ignorant, self-important, pseudo-philosophy-spouting fanboys that they attract....
-abunai
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jfrog
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:09 pm
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Well, NieA was a let down for me. And you're right, it didn't go anywhere. But I think it wasn't supposed to.
With Lain, I knew it was going to be self-important and full of obscure mystical references, but from the first disc I thought it would be one of the best examples of that type I had come across. And then I get to the episodes that are little more than still pictures, bad techno music, and someone narrating about UFOs...
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abunai
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:14 pm
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Yeah, those were seriously annoying. That was about the point where my own appreciation for Lain went down another notch.
BTW, I liked your old avatar better.
- abunai
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jfrog
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:15 pm
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But this avatar is Doc Savage! He's just as cool as Spider Jerusalem!
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abunai
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:34 pm
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I recognised the Man of Bronze, but I still like the old pic better. BTW, did you ever read Farmer's pseudo-biography of Doc Savage? Great stuff.
- abunai
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Kagemusha
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:03 pm
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theres so many. EVA was one in particular. i had heard all this stuff about how its great and life changing and all, then it just gives me a half baked attempt at philosophy and a self serving ending. their new thing, the ugly and beutiful world or something like that, was a huge waste of time as well.
Hellsing was a particular disapointment because they threw the manga's great storyline out the window and replaced the nazis it with some crappy villian.
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dormcat
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:24 pm
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IMHO the best stories are those with well-hidden plots in earlier episodes that only the most sensitive viewer would have noticed, then when the plot surfaced in later episodes you'd say "hey, wait a minute, I've seen something related to this before" and begin to dig up and rewatch old episodes, then yell out "OMG! OMG! Those script writers kept this plot hidden so well! Now that everything just makes sense!"
Therefore, on the contrary, the biggest letdowns for me are those with quite evident side stories or not-so-hidden plot lines but get no explanation at the end, making you say, "did I miss something?" However, after rewatching it many times, discussing it with other viewers mouth-to-mouth or over the Internet, or (in the worst case) writer/producer/director have assured you that they "did not intend to cover that storyline," you'd have an impulse to throw rocks on the screen.
I might get flamed again for saying this, but many post-NGE works (itself included) by Hideaki Anno/GAINAX, such as His and Her Circumstances and Kono Minikuku mo Utsukushii Sekai, have similar symptoms. However, looks like I'm not alone this time on ANN.
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Kagemusha
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Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:00 pm
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your totally right on this.
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jfrog
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:59 am
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abunai wrote: | I recognised the Man of Bronze, but I still like the old pic better. BTW, did you ever read Farmer's pseudo-biography of Doc Savage? Great stuff. |
I didn't read all of it, but I liked what I saw. To be honest, I was really nervous about it, seeing as how the only other thing by Farmer I've read seemed more like hentai fanfiction than serious sci-fi.
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