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marie-antoinette
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Being a new convert to Tsubasa (it took about 6 volumes for me to really start enjoying the series, and that only happened recently so I'm quite far behind), I actually found the crossover to be not that bad in this book. It actually made me more interested in reading Tsubasa, which probably is the evil point of it all (getting readers to read two series instead of one = double your money!). But I wasn't really that confused, not as much as I would have expected if I knew beforehand about what a role Sakura would play.
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Kelly
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Welcome to Tsubasa, Marie! Knowing you're a Holic fan, I had a feeling you wouldn't be able to resist once the heavy-duty crossovers started. Evil CLAMP, eh?
 In all seriousness though, once you're caught up with Tsubasa, you'll understand more of what's been going on with Holic.
Tsubasa isn't quite as consistent as Holic as a whole (one or two arcs I could have done without), but when it's good it nears greatness, especially in vols. 16-17. Once you get past that, you'll understand why my heart sank when Sakura told Watanuki (and us) the reason why she's shown up in Holic 12. And I'm sure I wasn't the only one. You think Watanuki's had it tough? The Tsubasa gang, and one of them in particular, have been through pure heck. I really hope they get a break soon. |
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marie-antoinette
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Tsubasa started out a bit too world of the week for me, but now that they are putting a bit more focus on continuous plots, I quite enjoy it. I don't love it like I love xxxHolic, but I find it worth spending money on.
And I love Fai. So very much. |
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posterior_praiser
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I don't think it should be considered a negative that you can't understand some things in holic cause of the crossover, considering that the intention is for it to be read along with tsubasa, and they were created as sister stories. I think that since this is the case, it is hard to be a holic fan and not read trubasa, esp. by this point. the endings are going to be completely intermingled to the point that you will have to have read both to understand, so if any holic fans haven't picked up tsubasa by now, they should, cause it wont get any easier to understand on its own.
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Kelly
Posts: 868 Location: New York City |
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Of course you do. Everyone loves "Mommy" - more and more each volume. 
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marie-antoinette
Posts: 4136 Location: Ottawa, Canada |
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I do agree that it should be a negative. I really think that Tsubasa and xxxHolic overlap too much. They are really very different stories and I can easily see people being fans of one and not the other, and having to read a story you don't like in order to understand one you do is a HUGE turn-off. Even though, as I said, I do like Tsubasa, I'm annoyed that sometimes I don't know what is going on in xxxHolic because I haven't read the latest Tsubasa volumes. It was okay when it was just simply stuff, but it's now gotten to the point where yes, if you don't read both you are going to be missing a lot. And I don't think that's fair. But I think the confusion is more with spoiler[the Syaoran with the eyepatch] who appeared more in other volumes, which is why I don't think it's as much of a negative with this volume as with others. But I still think it is actually pretty horrible that you have to read both stories to understand what is going on, because I expect there are a lot of people who don't like them both. |
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Aylinn
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and considering that the talk between Sakura and Watanuki refers to the event from volume 19 of TRC.
Additionally, TRC is now a sequel of CCS so even more money. |
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vashfanatic
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That's the danger of having any series where you move from world to world; not every world is as good as the others, and that's probably why I feel massively behind in Tsubasa; I was getting bored with the arc, and I certainly wasn't as far along as the events Sakura was talking about in this volume, although it was vague enough I could just roll with it. What irks me about Tsubasa is how they seem to assume you've read every series they've ever done and will just think it is "so cool!" to see the characters in new situations. I'm not a huge CLAMP fan, basically I was only acquainted with X, so it's been annoying. |
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skwid
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I've had this book since it came out but I'm not reading it yet. Tsubasa 19 and 20 need to come out before the crossover makes any sense. Surely, if you're reading both, you need to follow Sakura as she changes series. Now you know that she does and you'll be reading the Tsubasa that should have come before, wondering when it's going to happen.
Del Rey is mucking up the release orders so much the xxxHolic story is volumes ahead of the Tsubasa story. Holic 13 is the latest voume in Japan and they are up to 25 in Tsubasa. I'm following CLAMP's reading order. It's easy enough to work out from amazon.jp. |
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bahamut623
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I've been wondering about that. I'm slightly interested in checking out the series...but if I were to catch up, I don't want to inadvertently get Tsubasa spoilers. Del Rey should organize it a bit better. Maybe make Tsubasa come out just a bit faster. It's a darn evil little scheme Clamp has going here. I am interested in xxxHolic on its own, but it's connection to Tsubasa makes me even more intrigued. It definitely seems one-sided though. xxxHolic readers seem to need Tsubasa more than Tsubasa readers need xxxHolic. |
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posterior_praiser
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well I guess what I meant is that if you go into holic knowing it is a crossover with Tsubasa, then you have to expect that not everything is going to make sense without it. So in that sense, it should not be considered as a negative. But yes. it does suck. The whole crossover deal is a lame money grab, but I'm such a cheap whore for CLAMP stuff that I'll buy it  ! It seems the US release has been mucking things up though, so that will undoubtedly add to the confusion.
Haha agreed. I didn't get some things in tsubasa until i read more of their manga. It def. is annoying, cause not everyone has read all their series, but they don't usually make it so essential to the plot that you can't do without it (like the random cameos all the time). Except now i think that the crossover with CCS will be essential to the plot, which is also adding to the lame money grab that this whole thing has become. I liked the cameos cause I've read 90% of their series, but before I had read most of them it was frustrating. They do that with alot of their other works though too. They like to recycle. I just want them to finish up with these two series (of which holic is far superior) and get back to legal drug, and one day when pigs start to fly, X. |
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Aylinn
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Watanuki also appeares in Tsubasa later on so it is not that one-sided. But, generally you are right, for example the reason why Watanuki doesn't remember his parent's names is explained in Tsubasa but I can't recollect if it has been explained in XXXHolic.
However, I must admit that if someone hasn't read/watched CCS the person will not even notice that one of the main characters is the child of CCS!Sakura and CCS!Syaoran neither it is said outright nor CCS!Syaoran's face has been shown, CCS!Sakura is just mentioned. Knowing Clamp, we very probably see CCS!Sakura dead. |
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