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Cait



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:24 pm Reply with quote
My condolences on your being Rickrolled at work. While it happens to be something that hasn't happened to me, yet, I can't say I don't feel the possibility very close to reality. Your strength to persevere despite it is inspiring and I will remember it should I also succumb to such a terrible fate in the near future...

Anyway, why am I not surprised that the manga adaptation for Afro Samurai sucks?

I'm a little surprised about such a positive review on Rin, though. I haven't read it myself, but I always hear complaints about the implied non-con in it. I hoped for something good from the author of Only the Ring Finger Knows and the artist of Desire (I love both), but the reactions to it are far too inconsistent.

It's one of those issues that brings up the problem of fandom in the genre. There is just such a lack of real, unbiased and thorough review of BL titles that it is sometimes impossible to decipher what is worth paying $10 to $15 for, especially when half the time you have to decide based on the cover art on the dust jacket because the thing is shrink wrapped. I like dust jackets, don't get me wrong, and color artwork is great, but it makes it so I have to be very picky about what I am going to spend that much money on (I can get two Shonen Jump volumes sometimes for less than the cost of one BL book).
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:25 pm Reply with quote
Regarding Bleach, to be fair, the fact that they were only at 20% of their power was something that was established way long ago. When Ichigo fought Renji in Soul Society, he was told that anybody of Lieutenant rank or higher who was sent to the human world had their power sealed, and that therefore Renji's strength was 5 times higher than what it was when they first fought in the human world.

So anybody who remembered that would have known from the very start of the battles that most of the good guys were only at 20% of their full power. Maybe it's still a cliche, but it's not like that story element was just thrown out of nowhere with no forshadowing or anything.
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malik_chan



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:39 pm Reply with quote
The Slam Dunk cover is just anatomy fail. HUEG body and tiny head... seriously!

I just love the name Pumpkin Scissors... I dunno why, it's just seems catchy and interesting.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:49 pm Reply with quote
Cait wrote:
Anyway, why am I not surprised that the manga adaptation for Afro Samurai sucks?


Actually, the anime is the adaptation; the manga is the original work (it was published in a doujin magazine and didn't hit the big time until Hollywood came trotting along).

The way I figure, the anime ironed out the kinks, polished the artwork and made it suck less.

Mad_Scientist wrote:
Regarding Bleach, to be fair, the fact that they were only at 20% of their power was something that was established way long ago. When Ichigo fought Renji in Soul Society, he was told that anybody of Lieutenant rank or higher who was sent to the human world had their power sealed, and that therefore Renji's strength was 5 times higher than what it was when they first fought in the human world.

So anybody who remembered that would have known from the very start of the battles that most of the good guys were only at 20% of their full power. Maybe it's still a cliche, but it's not like that story element was just thrown out of nowhere with no forshadowing or anything.


Regarding my review, to be fair, you're debating a point that I never actually made (apparently I secretly said that "They totally pulled the 20% rule out of their ass" when I wasn't looking). Your point is duly noted, and in fact I have always admired Kubo-sensei for creating a complex yet self-consistent world, but that has nothing to do with the fact that I'm-only-using-X-percent-of-my-power is, in the 21st century, a big fat glaring cliche whether it happens in Volume 6 or Volume 24, and any amount of foreshadowing, story background, or laws of physics does not excuse it.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:49 pm Reply with quote
malik_chan wrote:
I just love the name Pumpkin Scissors... I dunno why, it's just seems catchy and interesting.

And how would you feel about...Tomato Doorknob?

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Sorry, Ms. Lim, but allowing random Japanese words into the dialogue does not miraculously make things more convincing.

You can't see the face I'm making, but suffice to say that alone makes me want to not read it, though that's a bit unfair.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:52 pm Reply with quote
Huh? Bleach 24 is out? Time to buy! Sucks it was only a C+ worthy volume, though, but I guess not every page can be good.

Maybe I'll buy Kasumi, too, since it got a fairly solid recommendation here. Maybe.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:16 am Reply with quote
Patachu wrote:

Mad_Scientist wrote:
Regarding Bleach, to be fair, the fact that they were only at 20% of their power was something that was established way long ago. When Ichigo fought Renji in Soul Society, he was told that anybody of Lieutenant rank or higher who was sent to the human world had their power sealed, and that therefore Renji's strength was 5 times higher than what it was when they first fought in the human world.

So anybody who remembered that would have known from the very start of the battles that most of the good guys were only at 20% of their full power. Maybe it's still a cliche, but it's not like that story element was just thrown out of nowhere with no forshadowing or anything.


Regarding my review, to be fair, you're debating a point that I never actually made (apparently I secretly said that "They totally pulled the 20% rule out of their ass" when I wasn't looking). Your point is duly noted, and in fact I have always admired Kubo-sensei for creating a complex yet self-consistent world, but that has nothing to do with the fact that I'm-only-using-X-percent-of-my-power is, in the 21st century, a big fat glaring cliche whether it happens in Volume 6 or Volume 24, and any amount of foreshadowing, story background, or laws of physics does not excuse it.


I think that even if an aspect of something is a bit cliched, if it's handled just right, it can still be enjoyable to read/watch. Maybe I'm just more forgiving than you regarding things like that.

But really, Kubo wrote himself into a situation where he had limited options. He had already established the power limitation, so if he suddenly left that out it would be a glaring consistency error. I suppose the could have just had permission for the limiters to be removed given right from the start of the fights. But then again, that would have seemed a little odd, at least to me, considering Soul Society had so far been portrayed as overconfident, incompetent, bogged down by rules, and unable to quickly respond to changing situations. Having powerful warriors nearly killed because of the spirit equivalent of red tape seemed to fit the the world Kubo had created nicely.

So because of those things, I forgave that cliche.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:38 am Reply with quote
I have to agree with what was said about Pumpkin Scissors. As few of my friends who know about my watching habits, they will tell you that I don't do a lot of it. When it comes to reading I do more of that and know more about what comes up in the manga versions of the series rather than the anime. For volume 3, it was okay. It did seem to have a build-up, but it has gone to show me how well the series actually seems to do. Medieocre.
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blind_assassin



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 1:23 am Reply with quote
I got Rickrolled on the way to school once. It was a bizarre and unfortunate experience. I also had to explain what exactly a Rickroll was to my mom as well since I said "God dammit! I got Rickrolled." while she was in the car.

EDIT: To make sure that my post is slightly more on topic, I enjoy pretty much everything Takehiko Inoue attaches himself to so I figure I'll pick up a copy of Slam Dunk at one point or another but I'll likely wait until the manga releases get close to where I left off in the show. It's nice to read some reviews along the way though in case I want to pick up some earlier volumes and relive the "Sakuraki Hanamichi learns not to be a dope at playing basketball" arcs.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:34 am Reply with quote
I can't believe Slam Dunk finally got some time to shine.This era is missing a ton of other stuff from the 90's.Guess we gotta wait another 10 years to see anything else.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:35 am Reply with quote
Cait wrote:
I'm a little surprised about such a positive review on Rin, though. I haven't read it myself, but I always hear complaints about the implied non-con in it.

What implied non-con? There's no non-con at all in Rin, as far as I remember. The catch is somewhere else, but the character feels appropriately bad about it, characters learn from their mistakes and the issue ends up being appropriately solved. I think Rin is one of the better BL manga out there, definitely worthy of some attention.

Mad_Scientist wrote:
I think that even if an aspect of something is a bit cliched, if it's handled just right, it can still be enjoyable to read/watch. Maybe I'm just more forgiving than you regarding things like that.

I agree. Also, people like to forget that in the end, Bleach is just a silly shounen fight manga like the rest. It's practically required to pull a "ha ha! I'm not on my full power yet!" every once in a while, 21th century or not.* (Along with relying one-on-one fights even when it's the least logical solution story-wise, assigning opponents to match each others' powers/specialities, etc.)

*Yes, yes, I know that there are exceptions. I don't know any, though, but I'm sure they're out there.
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Sorry, Ms. Lim, but allowing random Japanese words into the dialogue does not miraculously make things more convincing.

You can't see the face I'm making, but suffice to say that alone makes me want to not read it, though that's a bit unfair.

Honestly I'm very saddened to hear (or rather, read) such responses. I myself found the debut volume to be a lighthearted delight and am now eagerly awaiting the release of the next installment.

While I can certainly see where you're coming from and appreciate that, yes, there have been many a time an OEL series has fallen well bellow the proverbial bar of quality comics and--what's worse--tried in vain to save their "project" from being completely thrown under a bus by fans by chucking in some ultimately unnecessary Japanese dialogue. But I personally don't think this was or is the case with Kasumi, as it makes rather clever use of the--admittedly sparse--Japanese phrases.

I really do hope this review can show veteran and newcomer manga fans alike that OEL comics series are no different from traditional manga other even entertainment mediums in general: "a lot of times you have to wade through the sea of slug and crap in order to find the small pockets of gold," and this can be true even for nisei comi series. Anime catgrin
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:26 am Reply with quote
mufurc wrote:

What implied non-con? There's no non-con at all in Rin, as far as I remember. The catch is somewhere else, but the character feels appropriately bad about it, characters learn from their mistakes and the issue ends up being appropriately solved. I think Rin is one of the better BL manga out there, definitely worthy of some attention.


I don't know, you'd have to ask the person who said it. I believe they had given up after the first volume.

And this really only solidifies my complaint about a complete lack of good communication within the genre. You have to base your decision to spend all kinds of money on little information that may very well be completely inaccurate. Sometimes you buy a title that gets so highly praised you think it's going to be the best thing ever, only to find out it's all hype and you wasted your money and sometimes you avoid something like the plague because someone says, "OMG, thar be icky rape in thar yaoi," only to find out six months later they were full of s***.

I know such things happen across the board in the anime/manga community (and probably across all popular culture), but few other places are you flying as blind as in BL/yaoi. In stores half the time the books are shrink wrapped, so you either have to go by the inconsistently written back cover synopses (the worst perpetrated by DMP, the biggest licensor) or other people's opinions. I can't even get decent previews online. JustManga.com lets you preview hundreds of manga titles before buying, but there's no yaoi, which I understand since it's adult material, but it still makes it hard to make decisions. I know DMP just started their own online scanned manga site, but it still only has a handful of titles and most of those I've either already read or aren't interesting enough to even want to preview. Hopefully in the coming months that will change.
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Cait



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:31 am Reply with quote
Patachu wrote:


Actually, the anime is the adaptation; the manga is the original work (it was published in a doujin magazine and didn't hit the big time until Hollywood came trotting along).

The way I figure, the anime ironed out the kinks, polished the artwork and made it suck less.


I stand corrected and reverse my statement then. It's usually the anime that butchers the manga, and not makes it better. How interesting.
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Given that it's coming from you, I think a C for Wanted is actually pretty good. I'm a bit sad to hear that the conclusion is weak, but I still think it looks like a fun series. And since I personally think the art is gorgeous, that probably means I should add a grade or at least a +.

I definitely want to check Slam Dunk out, even though sports manga are like, the antithesis of what I like to read generally. I definitely need to read something by this guy, because he sounds pretty awesome.
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