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iamtetsuo
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Hello.
I've looked around, and this seems to be the best place to make this post; please forgive me if I've put it in the wrong spot. I'm looking to find some people who remember the old days of anime fandom. I feel such a tremendous disconnect with the current generation of anime fans, both with respect to their experience as anime fans as well as the anime that they are into, and I've been having a hard time finding people of my own kind that I can kick back with. The kind of people that I'm talking about here are the ones who were into anime in the early 90's or earlier. The kind of people who appreciate the classics, and for whom all the digitization of modern anime is a foreign thing. The kind of people who remember the old conventions, or the discussions on RAA. Guys that remember when Streamline was a major player in the industry, and know names like Carl Macek and Robert Woodhead. In general, the people who remember the times in anime fandom before Toonami came onto the scene. I guess, I'm just trying to find some people that come from my own generation or earlier to kick back with and talk about old times and/or classic anime in general. If anyone else here feels the same as I do, please send me a private message or reply to this thread. If we could get a thread going about old times and/or old school anime in general, I'd be glad. |
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EricDent
 Posts: 997 Location: Georgetown, TX |
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Well I technically am one of those people. but never really got into true fandom until the mid '90s (as in actually buying it).
I did grow up watching stuff like Robotech, Voltron, Star Blazers, Speed Racer, Thundersub (AKA Blue Noah), Tranzor Z, G-Force Guardians of Space, and Transformers. I also got into Godzilla at about the same time (mid '80s), thanks to TBS showing several of them during "Super Scary Saturdays" hosted by Grandpa Munster (they actually spoof this in the movie Gremlins 2). I do appreciate the contributions that the early adopters of anime. Which definately helped bring it over to the USA. I still say if it was not for those people there is a good chance that we would not even be talking about anime on this message board. I agree that a lot of younger people need to learn some patience when dealing with the stuff like streams/torrents. If I can wait a couple of months/years for a title I am interested in to come out on DVD then why can't they? |
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wanderlustking
 Posts: 449 Location: Bozeman, Montana |
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I remember all that and more, but shit man; I moved on. I mean, at the time I thought Robotech was really neat, but Macross was better. The difference between the "old school" and "new sch00l" of anime is that in the old days, localization was taken to extremes out of necessity. Anime wasn't a big thing back then, so they had to Americanize it to some extent in an attempt to make it more marketable; shows like Eden of the East, Beck, or Haibane Renmei wouldn't have stood a chance "back in the day," which is sad, but says something about what anime was to us back then: a cheap novelty.
I hope I don't sound like too much of an ass here; but I'm really of the mind that rolling stones gather no moss, and that stagnant water collects scum. |
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Jedi Master
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Hardly cheap: I remember the bad old days. I paid $40 for volume one of Ranma 1/2 season one on VHS for two episodes. I do not want a return to those dark times. |
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Kruszer
 Posts: 7994 Location: Minnesota, USA |
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Appreciating the classics is great but doing so to exclude current stuff and become an anime troglodyte is pretty ridiculous. It's quite possible to watch both old and new stuff simultaneously like I do.
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hyogacisne
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I started over de 88´s Robotech, Mazinger Z, Voltron. I remember all anime have a relese date in my country after several years. Then when I started to became a fan adict I watched anime like Saint Seiya that trapped me in the past. Robotech was my favourite anime, the best I remember. It had all the components of a real story. Passion, action, love triangle, even mecha. That´s the reson because I have the firte part (generation), Superdimensional Fortres Macross in the hard drive. When a watch an anime even is and old anime It's look me familiar. The draw could be a little burd but the story, the emotion is great.
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TitanXL
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Anime was bad enough in the 90s, I'd hate to see charts from the 80s, personally. I'm glad at the rise in popularity and production industry.
Given you're talking about dubs, I'm glad we've evolved past the days when "Speed Racer" "Robotech" "Voltron" and "Warriors of the Wind" was seen as acceptable treatments of foreign works. |
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EireformContinent
 Posts: 977 Location: Łódź/Poland (The Promised Land) |
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But it wouldn't be bad to reuse some old ideas like adaptations of classical literature . Too bad that attempt to resurrect World's Masterpiece T heater didn't catch enough attention. That's a pity that animes for kids aren't setting standards for children animation as it used to be.
And that's the only thing I regret about past time. I feel really better, when even now I can order whatever I want from whenever it's possible than read about new titles in anime newspaper with no hope to see it. |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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Sounds like you should have named the thread "Anyone Here Remember the Good Old Days...?" instead.
What's wrong with many modern Anime? I mean, it isn't like Anime nowadays is doing anything worse than the so called 'classics'. Nor does the title of 'classic' imply that a work is somehow inherently superior to newer works which have not yet gained that title. |
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Spotlesseden
Posts: 3514 Location: earth |
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i think you need to move on. I watch Anime since like i was 4 or 5, old anime like Dr. Slump, Dragon ball, Saint Seiya, Captain tsubasa, Touch.
even some crazy tatsunoko anime that i don't remember the story or name of the anime. I'm not even at 30, I don't miss them because i think the new one are better. |
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naninanino
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I'm not one of those people, but being an anime fan has certainly not been a nice thing to be for the last three years or so.
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cl-shojo
Posts: 70 Location: New York |
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That chart from 1994 doesn't look so bad to me - I love Sailor Moon and Marmalade Boy and personally think the 90s was a great time for shojo, which is my favorite type of anime. I haven't been interested in any anime past 2008 - but I have plenty of titles I'd like to see from before the year 2000. And I'm someone who believes in the quality of the titles being produced over the sheer number of titles - especially since story content matters a lot more to me than animation quality.
That being said, there are pros and cons to each 'generation' of anime and anime fandom. Prices are cheaper now, but anime companies don't take risks in what they license anymore. And I do have to say that while fandom probably is more disconnected than the stereotypical 'small anime club' of the older days, that's to be expected since fandom is larger and we've got people who all got into anime at different times and ages. |
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Jen526
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*waves* I was around in the early-90's, got most of my early info about anime from the Prodigy dial-up service and Sierra Network... I'm not in an area where clubs and stuff were available. (Though I did attend the first Otakon in 1994.
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I still find a lot to love in each new anime season, and am probably a bigger anime fan today than I've ever been, but I can sympathize with the "get off my lawn" nostalgia factor. There was something uniquely satisfying about being involved in such an obscure sort of hobby at that time. (Being a girl back then was especially cool. People sent me stuff. ) The sense of community with such a small pond was a lot more solid, and "shopping" was almost like a treasure hunt - never knowing quite what you'd find. I love my proxy services and ordering direct, but it *is* fun to reminisce about "back in the day".
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Konopan
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To be honest, that chart looks better than 2009's; G Gundam, Macross 7, and Rayearth are good enough to carry a year for me. That list is also pretty incomplete, lacking both winter series and the expansive number of OVAs (including the likes of Macross Plus and Key The Metal Idol) As for the "special club" mentality of people who might have spent hundreds of dollars on yellow subtitle VHS tapes or even the folks who downloaded their shows in .rmvb, I don't have much to say, other than that I'm glad I can cherry-pick from what you guys subsisted off of for years, yet if things were that way nowadays, I might actually have enough spare time in the week to pick up a couple extra hobbies. Maybe even the patience for Gunpla. |
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EricJ
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The 90's was full of great series (and the "chart" happened to contain Sailor Moon S, arguably the series' finest year). I can count the three last series from the early 00's that I did watch, and I haven't been able to find anything remotely intelligent quirky/snarky/silly or character-driven funny since "Lovely Complex" or the Nodame Contabile series ended. 
(Any time I see anything from the late 00's in the shoujo, comedy or fantasy genre, it's got the locally-Japanese niche-fanservice self-loathing of "Here, loser otakus, a blank robot maid with glasses like you wanted, unzip to that!"...Uh, I know we Americans are "crazy", but maybe we all watched Ranma 1/2 at the time because it was funny?) As for mainstream kids' TV dubs, I remember the day it all went down: Fox Network Saturday morning tries to air "Escaflowne"....Hey, they aired "Digimon", and they had a direct deal with the studio, how hard could it be? Coming in so soon over the fan-vs.-network failure of "Cardcaptors", it was becoming clear to importers that not all anime could be universally un-localized like Sailor Moon, or game-marketed like Pokemon. And if you tried to sell Escaflowne to an audience who thought it was, boy, were YOU in for one rude awakening! 
Not that it was "shocking" for TV--might've kept the audience awake if it had been--but even those who liked the show had to admit, this was the last show you would want to sell to an easily baffled mainstream audience who didn't know about anime that wasn't Pokemon: If you were an anime-phobic importer who had stereotypic cliche's about the fandom, and thought core-fan anime was too "girly, obscure, overdramatic or tech-obsessed", here was the show for you.... Fox washed their hands of the series, and it was clear after that that non-cable TV anime and rebroadcast anime series on DVD were destined to take their own two evolutionary paths. |
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