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Sexist Shojo

What I mean to say is, instead of mangas about abusive relationships, are there any about BDSM relationships?

I conversely, being a guy, hate for other guys to be like that. Seeing another guy so mistreat a woman, despite his 'reasons', makes me very very angry. 1st: You don't OWN a person, you don't get to do whatever you want to them regardless of the situation and 2nd: his actions make the rest of us look bad.

I just recently read through Honey x Honey Drops, and I am a sucker for this kind of thing.
In fact, after reading it sent me off on a whirlwind tangent looking for more of the same ilk, so I read through a few more titles like Haou Airen (which I am ABSOLUTLY in love with), Desire Climax, The Devil Does Exist, and Sukishite Sadist

I can kind of understand wanting to submit to a dominant lover, but I can't get into a series where a victim falls for her rapist.

Unfortunately most BDSM titles I've read with dominating male are in the hentai category.

While in Western view those actions were regarded as very abusive, they were how superiors treating subordinates in 99% companies in bubble-economy Japan, regardless of gender. An employee is OWNED by the company (sometimes even including insurance beneficiaries and graveyard), and if you made a small mistake and your superior told you to choose between kneel down and lick his shoes or be fired, most Japanese (back then) would chose the former, for being fired for "insubordinate to direct orders" would find you no new job and render you not only jobless but also a social outcast (on the other hand, if you screw up something really big, the CEO would have to come forward and hold a press conference just to apologize, despite he doesn't even know the names of entry-level employees). In comparison, male leads in those "sexist shojo" titles do care their lovers, just in a very dominating way, which is very common among Asian parents. Way better than the employer of Rokuro "Rock" Okajima in the first chapter of Black Lagoon, at least.

I apologize if this isn't entirely relevant, but I recall someone from another forum I used to visit once started a thread because as part of a writing course she was taking, she had to read two harlequin romance novels. She described at least one in moderate depth, and it falls into the exact same formula as what you described.

I can kind of understand wanting to submit to a dominant lover, but I can't get into a series where a victim falls for her rapist.

In my opinion most manga listed here have no real rape scenes by Japanese readers' standard (or they wouldn't be serialized in shōjo manga magazines available to middle schoolers), unless you want to be completely "by the law" i.e. anything done after a single word of "NO!" or "STOP!" is considered rape.

Looking at this list again, I noticed that you mentioned two titles by Mayu Shinjo (Haou Airen and Sukishite Sadist). Shinjo-sensei is coming to Taiwan next month; got any specific question to ask her?

I apologize if this isn't entirely relevant, but I recall someone from another forum I used to visit once started a thread because as part of a writing course she was taking, she had to read two harlequin romance novels. She described at least one in moderate depth, and it falls into the exact same formula as what you described.

But if someone were to feel that they had to do something I said simply because I said it...I don't think I would like that...it almost feels like disrespect to me, that they don't respect my thoughts, the thought and effort that went into making a decision they just do what I say because I am the boss.

I think part of the reason those kind of relationships appeal to women is there's the idea, "He wouldn't be trying to control me unless he really cares, he would just ignore me, so it must really be love."

Also, I think it's the trap of "Oh, he can change." And if the guy does go from abusive to loving that shows how wonderful a woman she is. After all, he wouldn't change unless he was afraid of losing a great woman like her.

Reading this thread Hot Gimmick comes to my mind as a perfect example. There are plenty of attempted rape scenes at the very least.

Unless of course she enjoys the challenge and process of changing the guy, in which case it is right up her alley.

wonder if the 'community' aspect is an explanation for the huge amount of gang sex/rape in hentai manga? Pick up any random hentai anthology (tenma, OEX, Kairakuten, etc) or many single shot story or longer story hentai and there will in a great many cases where there will be a scene or two where 6 or 7+ guys will all be 'invited' by the male lead to have sex with his one girl. Personally I put the magazine back down when I get to one of those scenes and leave, even if it is consensual...She is my GF, we have something special between us, I don't want 6 or 7 guys jacking off on top of us thanks very much.