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GregZor
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hahaha oh wow
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Onoskelis
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And nothing of value was lost. |
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Keonyn
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Here's a quick reminder:
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BellosTheMighty
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Who was that directed at, Keonyn? I ask because there are so many potential targets...
Well, never mind. My first reaction to this was "What is wrong with you? Anime is not a political issue." My second was "What on earth do you expect to do about it? Anime is business, pretty much the only way you can 'save the industry' is to buy stuff. If people don't buy stuff, the producers of said stuff fade away. All the impotent e-mail petitions in the world can't change that." Seriously, ask some old-school Sailor Moon fans about unfrosted strawberry Pop-Tarts sometimes... But you know what, I don't think we should be bashing these guys on the basis of just a short press release. I'm going to check out this site and see what exactly they're up to- back in a few. ... EDIT: Alright, checked it out. From what I can see, they're not idiots. Or at least, not the kind of idiots I had thought. Essentially, they're trying to persuede people to buy legit instead of going for fansubs or bootlegs. Right now, they have two things up: a list of ways to recognize HK/Taiwanese bootlegs, and a "transcription" of a conversation with Greg Ayres about fansub myths. The latter essentially boils down to "fansub elitism is a load of bull" and "yes, you DO have to pay". Well, okay, not in those exact words, but you get the idea. There's also a forum, which only has a few posts so far, most from a single guy. On a more technical note, there's no "about" text, no copyright information, and no links to contact the site owner- all of which is extremely unprofessional web design. The whole thing looks like something cobbled together by a single newbie fan who hasn't yet learned how useless for generating change internet carping is. Now, I don't want to be TOO judgmental- maybe they're still getting things together, and their real crime is simply jumping the gun with the grand opening. Somehow, though, I don't think this site will ever be more then a tiny, irrelevant island in the internet waging a separate and private war against the fansubbers. I expect it will eventually become nothing but a circle of alt.flame visited by incompetent trolls who know they can rile things up there very easily. It's difficult to take seriously a site where the web designer doesn't even know how to make a website look respectable. But more importantly, any attempt to convince people to change their behavior has to take into account what the subject hopes to get from it. People are gifted with a great capacity for moral strength and self-sacrifice, but ultimately they're also selfish. Convincing someone to modify their behavior requires presenting them with something more important, and for some reason "the peace of mind that comes from doing the right thing" isn't accorded a lot of value. In the end, I suspect that this group is harmless, so let them be, but I don't think this movement is going to set the world on fire. Their forums, mybe, but not the world. Last edited by BellosTheMighty on Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:26 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Zin5ki
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The "misconceptions about downloading" section could do with addressing some more aspects, such as what to do if a potentially watchable series isn't available via legal downloads or streaming. I hope what we're seeing right now is a work in progress.
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krelyan
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Nothing much to see besides "witty" downloading rulez! flaming. 
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Keonyn
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Pretty much the three that posted above me, and then later a few that posted after me that I deleted since they apparently neglected to read my post. |
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tygerchickchibi
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Looked like a lot of trolling to me. Anywho...I'll be sure to figure out what I want to respond after taking the time to read...
still in overwhelm from NYCC and waiting for ANN to post TMR's concert. |
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Zoe
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Ohhhh.... bad flashback to "Save Our Sailors"....
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ikillchicken
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Thats pretty useless. There are probably hundreds of equally good or better bootleg spotting guides out there. The "myths" are pretty much all no-brainers and don't really provide enough of an explanation to change anyones mind.
It's a shame because I think it would help to spread awareness about piracy. I'm not anti-fansub but I think there are a lot of cases where people turn to piracy out of ignorance rather than some of the more legitimate reasons. Bootlegs are the most obvious example. I can't believe that there are all that many people who buy bootlegs knowing they're bootlegs when they could download fansubs for free. A lot of people consider it common knowledge that you have to watch out for bootlegs but obviously a lot of people are utterly unaware. As for fansubs, while I am not against them a lot of kids seem to think that anime grows on trees or more likely that it grows on the internet. I'm not going to demand people pay for anime. However, I think it's important to at least understand that it does cost money to make and if nobody supports it then it won't get made. Then there's all the just stupid reasons people use fansubs which this site somewhat addresses. It would be good to spread some awareness about this stuff. |
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Tyrenol
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It sounds, from a lot of you, like you want to see the anime industry collapse worldwide.
I made the arguments: If it causes those free-Free-FREE anime "fans" to whine and have fits about not getting free-Free-FREE animu anymore, then by all means the industry should collapse. But if good titles had been coming out of Japan... If these guys over the pond realize that the world is watching; that one or five of these titles had plucked a heartstring or two across the pond... Then that would be a great loss. More spitty titles for only the goobers to watch. And they'll be more expensive and alienating. (Thank you, Mr. Konno of BVUSA.) The industry and their "fanbase" will spiral themselves downward and out of existence. Like that PSA about the dangers of drug use. The T-shirt was right: Drugs ARE cheaper. 
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8JF
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No, I don't want to see it collapse but I'm not going to prop up an industry that is using an outdated consumer model that fails to target me as a consumer and not a collector. I don't buy art boxes, posters, figurines, widgets and gadgets or DVD's for my anime fix. Whether the distribution is internet streaming or rental mailing I want a large catalogue of choices and discs that don't arrive broken, scratched or unplayable for what ever reason. Last edited by 8JF on Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:43 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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tygerchickchibi
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[quote="8JF"]
So I'm guessing you rented from an anime specialty store and that has actually happened to you... I'm saying that because I used to rent and I've never had that happen to me. and it sounded kind of like you were throwing it up in the air just because. People rent all the time and it's not impossible that it may not happen, but I haven't heard many issues like that at all... |
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DmonHiro
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The "myths" are a load of bull, and are COMLETELY biassed. Especially the one about ofiicial tranlators contacting the producers for information. It that's true, then the producers are in a very playful mood, couse that is the only thing that would explain the dubtitles I've been seeing more and more.
But you know, all in all, I do agree that piracy is bad (DUH), but piracy is not, will never be, and CAN NOT, be the same as stealing. I don't mean the whole "it's not physical" angle. Stealing means that you take something, piracy means a copy is beeing made. Right and wrong aside....you just CAN NOT say it's the same. It may be just as wrong (not really), but it is not the same. HOWEVER......and here comes the beatdown..........how DARE you say that the Japanese and American Anime Industry are one entity? The Japanese insustry has lives for decades without the existance of the american one, and would live way after the american one collapses. What would happen if the american anime industry would go boom? Japan may very well produce less anime. Actually......the collapse of the american industry would actually be BENEFICAL for the Japanese one. Sure, less anime....but it would most likely produce BETTER anime, out of fear of the same fate. And there would not be any more fear that the japanese fans would import american releases. I would actually be GLAD if the american anime industry would go boom. First off......NO MORE DUBS/DUBTITLES. The japanese would make more english subtitles anime (like Gonzo is......keep up the good work....I'll actually buy TOD just to support this innitiative). |
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Moomintroll
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So much angst. So much impotent fury. So much angry shouting. Have you ever thought about trying prozac? |
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