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malvarez1
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 3:36 pm
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I lost interest when they skipped almost the entire Land of Waves arc in Naruto. How could they fumble this so badly?
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StarFan13
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 3:45 pm
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so what's was the Reason that [adult swim] Cancels Toonami Rewind? Was it the Fans' Responds about it Marathon DBZ Kai for like Every Friday in December? because I want to watch More Sailor Moon after Season 1 Finished because it's my Dream to go All the Way to Sailor Stars when Toonami Rewind came in back in May 31st.
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ThatGuyWhoLikesThings
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 3:46 pm
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??? this was around for like half a year
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StarFan13
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 3:57 pm
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malvarez1 wrote: | I lost interest when they skipped almost the entire Land of Waves arc in Naruto. How could they fumble this so badly? |
why?
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Cryten
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 4:34 pm
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malvarez1 wrote: | I lost interest when they skipped almost the entire Land of Waves arc in Naruto. How could they fumble this so badly? |
They skipped the fundamental opening arc? The one with 2 of the highest rated fights in the series of Kakashi Vs Zabusa and Naruto Vs Haku?
Though I have to admit that it establishes a tone and expectation for the world that never gets followed up on. (A deadly world of mercenary Ninja clans that regularly kill each other, and veterans being cunning and deadly instead of just powerful monsters).
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YackDe
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 4:45 pm
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Who could have guessed the nostalgia block featuring a bunch of shows that aren't from the era older millennials (the people who would most remember and care about Toonami as a brand) are nostalgic about wouldn't do well?
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Richmyster84
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 4:45 pm
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People still have cable?
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Lord Geo
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 4:48 pm
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While skipping the Zabuza/Haku stuff in Naruto was a bizarre decision (which kind of instantly shows that they likely never had much belief in Rewind, to begin with), I think the biggest miss was giving DBZ Kai two episodes, instead of including a fourth title.
Ideally, Toonami Rewind should have been Sailor Moon, DBZ Kai, Naruto (without skipping anything), & a title of a similar "vintage" (i.e. 90s to mid-00s) that had simply never aired on Toonami before at all, as a way to entice viewers to watch because now they'd be getting something that, quite possibly, they had not seen before; maybe heard of & even thought about watching, but never did watch. Sailor Moon was sort of that, since it was using the more recent Viz dub, but the show itself was still previously seen on Toonami, minus Sailor Stars (& it's obvious that they weren't going to start with the final season of the entire series).
That way it'd still be a nostalgia block, but also offer something "new", because the nostalgia alone was only going to keep people coming back for so long for shows that they had already seen in their entireties before.
YackDe wrote: | Who could have guessed the nostalgia block featuring a bunch of shows that aren't from the era older millennials (the people who would most remember and care about Toonami as a brand) are nostalgic about wouldn't do well? |
The only show of the three that didn't air on the OG Toonami weekday afternoon time slot was Naruto, which debuted during the Saturday evening era (but still before Toonami's original death), so this logic makes mostly no sense, as the shows chosen were 100% what now-older millennials were watching on Toonami back in the day (Sailor Moon & Dragon Ball), while Naruto was an appeal to the mid-to-younger millennial group.
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Kougeru
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 4:50 pm
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The sad reality is that modern anime fans don't want to watch older anime. So this relied on OG fans to keep it alive and they usually have other better ways to watch these shows.
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ninjamitsuki
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 5:31 pm
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What's gonna happen to Sailor Moon? It has never aired on the Saturday block and it would suck if they just dropped it entirely.
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YackDe
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 6:10 pm
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Lord Geo wrote: |
YackDe wrote: | Who could have guessed the nostalgia block featuring a bunch of shows that aren't from the era older millennials (the people who would most remember and care about Toonami as a brand) are nostalgic about wouldn't do well? |
The only show of the three that didn't air on the OG Toonami weekday afternoon time slot was Naruto, which debuted during the Saturday evening era (but still before Toonami's original death), so this logic makes mostly no sense, as the shows chosen were 100% what now-older millennials were watching on Toonami back in the day (Sailor Moon & Dragon Ball), while Naruto was an appeal to the mid-to-younger millennial group. |
The people who have cable and would be even remotely interested in a block like this (ie much older than the "mid-to-younger millennial group") do not care about Kai. They grew up with the original DBZ and they would want the original DBZ, and the fact that this failed so quickly shows that either being unwilling or unable to procure original DBZ (along with other titles like Outlaw Star, Gundam Wing, Tenchi Universe, or Ronin Warriors) meant that this whole stunt was doomed from the start.
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Primus
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 6:11 pm
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StarFan13 wrote: | so what's was the Reason that [adult swim] Cancels Toonami Rewind? Was it the Fans' Responds about it Marathon DBZ Kai for like Every Friday in December? because I want to watch More Sailor Moon after Season 1 Finished because it's my Dream to go All the Way to Sailor Stars when Toonami Rewind came in back in May 31st. |
Outside of Kai, Toonami Rewind featured programming that had to be acquired specifically for the block. It's being replaced by reruns of shows owned by Cartoon Network. The viewership clearly wasn't justifying the costs.
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onpufan
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 6:52 pm
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YackDe wrote: | The people who have cable and would be even remotely interested in a block like this (ie much older than the "mid-to-younger millennial group") do not care about Kai. They grew up with the original DBZ and they would want the original DBZ, and the fact that this failed so quickly shows that either being unwilling or unable to procure original DBZ (along with other titles like Outlaw Star, Gundam Wing, Tenchi Universe, or Ronin Warriors) meant that this whole stunt was doomed from the start. |
Also they aired the newer VIZ dub of Sailor Moon when our age group grew up with the DIC dub back when Sailor Moon was at it's peak popularity in the 90s or the Cloverway dub that aired on Toonami. So out of the 3 shows only Naruto was the one that was ever on Toonami, and that was at the tail end of my generation. I was watching the fansubs for Naruto by the time Toonami got it.
If they couldn't secure the rights to OG DBZ and Sailor Moon then maybe they could have aimed a bit newer. Naruto, Zatch Bell, Rave Master Bobobo, and those era of dubs instead. Otherwise you're trying to sell a nostalgia block with most of the content not actually what people are nostalgic for.
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James02
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 7:49 pm
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ninjamitsuki wrote: | What's gonna happen to Sailor Moon? It has never aired on the Saturday block and it would suck if they just dropped it entirely. |
Sailor Moon finished its run on November 29th. From there on, it was just Dragon Ball Z Kai.
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Unculturedman
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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2024 7:55 pm
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Cryten wrote: |
malvarez1 wrote: | I lost interest when they skipped almost the entire Land of Waves arc in Naruto. How could they fumble this so badly? |
They skipped the fundamental opening arc? The one with 2 of the highest rated fights in the series of Kakashi Vs Zabusa and Naruto Vs Haku?
Though I have to admit that it establishes a tone and expectation for the world that never gets followed up on. (A deadly world of mercenary Ninja clans that regularly kill each other, and veterans being cunning and deadly instead of just powerful monsters). |
Except that's the world the series establishes? Literally almost every major backstory has some tragedy associated with it. The world of the series is seeped in blood, trauma, discrimination and hatred. It's kinda the whole idea of what Kishimoto was trying to get across. Obviously as a shonen it's not the darkest series in the world, and way more characters die in flashbacks than the main timeline, but the tone is still quite dark and serious overall. I never understand this "early naruto establishes a tone that's never followed up on" idea that some people like to throw around.
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