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harushiga
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 8:29 am
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The headline and the first and fourth paragraphs list three different premiere dates...
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TheAncientOne
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 9:12 am
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harushiga wrote: | The headline and the first and fourth paragraphs list three different premiere dates... |
It must have been updated without notice as all I see now is January 3 in each place.
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Mune
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 11:05 am
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I really dislike it when a show has more than 1 version. It takes away any desire for me to watch anything but the most uncensored version. In addition, it seems way harder and longer to find that version for purchase, assuming it even becomes purchasable in my region. I was really excited for this show, but now...not so much.
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BalmungHHQ
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 12:22 pm
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Mune wrote: | I really dislike it when a show has more than 1 version. It takes away any desire for me to watch anything but the most uncensored version. In addition, it seems way harder and longer to find that version for purchase, assuming it even becomes purchasable in my region. I was really excited for this show, but now...not so much. |
This is silly. It's important for shows like this to have multiple versions, because that's the only approach they can take to even getting made and put on the air in the first place. In the end, it's better to have an uncut version in existence at all rather than settling for the final cut of the show being some cut down version made to appeal to TV broadcast standards.
Yes, there are inconveniences about it for us as consumers, but I'd gladly take those inconveniences any day over the show restricting itself.
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Florete
Joined: 21 Jan 2018
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 12:31 pm
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Always kinda awkward when the licensed English title is different from whatever English the Japanese company puts on the poster. I'm sure "I admire magical girls, and..." is technically accurate, but it definitely doesn't sound very good.
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Villain-chan
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:08 pm
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BalmungHHQ wrote: |
Mune wrote: | I really dislike it when a show has more than 1 version. It takes away any desire for me to watch anything but the most uncensored version. In addition, it seems way harder and longer to find that version for purchase, assuming it even becomes purchasable in my region. I was really excited for this show, but now...not so much. |
This is silly. It's important for shows like this to have multiple versions, because that's the only approach they can take to even getting made and put on the air in the first place. In the end, it's better to have an uncut version in existence at all rather than settling for the final cut of the show being some cut down version made to appeal to TV broadcast standards.
Yes, there are inconveniences about it for us as consumers, but I'd gladly take those inconveniences any day over the show restricting itself. |
Actually yours is the silly one, not to be rude btw but, parental controls are a thing. As are passwords and what not. Parents should be the ones monitoring what their children intake, it should NOT be enforced on the masses by media and so on. Not to mention you already have in Japan anime airing at LATE hours that most kids would likely already be asleep by and again, parental controls are a thing, am sure that extends to whatever the child is trying to record.
If someone is comfortable enough to watch something like this then they should get used too (Assuming they aren't as that's who am referring to here) the more ecchi content. In fact, this is the first time I've read not only will the visuals be censored, but so too will the AUDIO! Where does it stop?! It only continues to get worse and worse each year for censorship! What Mune said is a legit concern and complaint, it can be hard to find the uncensored ver, including on physical media depending ur region and this censorship only punishes the majority, esp as now most will haveta wait several months or longer for the BD to release for the full uncensored ver which, isn't ok. Lastly, as many will (including myself) tell u, those calling for censorship won't even be watching this in the first place and sure, there might be some who would, but they're the minority and not even who this anime is aimed at in the first place (Again, get used to the more ecchi content I say) while the majority haveta continue to suffer due to the censorship, wait for the uncensored BD, IF they can even get it and IF one even releases and that now applies to this anime too...
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BalmungHHQ
Joined: 11 Feb 2006
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 3:51 pm
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Villain-chan wrote: | Actually yours is the silly one, not to be rude btw but, parental controls are a thing. As are passwords and what not. Parents should be the ones monitoring what their children intake, it should NOT be enforced on the masses by media and so on. Not to mention you already have in Japan anime airing at LATE hours that most kids would likely already be asleep by and again, parental controls are a thing, am sure that extends to whatever the child is trying to record. |
I never said anything about parents or children watching TV... All I was talking about was the realities of what it takes to get onto Japanese TV...
Unfortunately, all the production companies have to play by their rules, and if they have to make these "TV versions" in order to do it, then fine. Of course it's not ideal, but like I said, it's better than the shows just not being made uncut at all.
Villain-chan wrote: | If someone is comfortable enough to watch something like this then they should get used too (Assuming they aren't as that's who am referring to here) the more ecchi content. |
I agree with this, which is why it's good that the uncut versions are even made at all.
But again, the point of what I said in the first place wasn't even about the viewers.
Villain-chan wrote: | In fact, this is the first time I've read not only will the visuals be censored, but so too will the AUDIO! Where does it stop?! It only continues to get worse and worse each year for censorship! |
Then you're not paying attention. Audio has been edited out of almost every ecchi anime's TV Broadcast version since 2020.
The Interspecies Reviewers incident really caused a lot of damage with Japanese TV station trust, which is why the broadcast restrictions have become harsher in recent years...
I agree that this is frustrating. But it's why I appreciate the anime producers still finding ways around it.
Villain-chan wrote: | What Mune said is a legit concern and complaint, it can be hard to find the uncensored ver, including on physical media depending ur region and this censorship only punishes the majority, esp as now most will haveta wait several months or longer for the BD to release for the full uncensored ver which, isn't ok. |
This is a different discussion from what I was pointing out, but I suppose it's worth elaborating on.
Yes, there is definitely a legitimate concern about availability for the full uncut versions of these shows in overseas countries, especially now with physical media losing priority. For years the English-language DVD & Blu-ray releases would be the way to get uncut anime in our region, but if a show never even gets a home video release at all, it may be stuck on streaming with only the TV Broadcast (or other "less censored but still censored" version). Which is truly an unfortunate situation.
But the crux of this argument should be directed at the companies involved with bringing said anime to our regions. They're the ones who should be making the effort to make sure our regions get the uncut versions in some way or another.
So putting that aside, what I was actually criticizing was Mune's distaste for the "multi-version" approach, when generally it's not too different from how Japanese TV has handled these things for the past 2 decades, and is always better than the show only having one version that's censored. (Which is a rising concern, if you're paying attention to recent anime productions. Too many anime are being produced censored from the start recently, with no alternative versions.)
Given the alternatives we're seeing in the industry right now, anyone criticizing the multi-version approach either doesn't understand how things work, or are indirectly asking for censorship whether they realize it or not.
It's important to understand the rules at play here and what restrictions these anime productions are working under.
Villain-chan wrote: | Lastly, as many will (including myself) tell u, those calling for censorship won't even be watching this in the first place and sure, there might be some who would, but they're the minority and not even who this anime is aimed at in the first place (Again, get used to the more ecchi content I say) while the majority haveta continue to suffer due to the censorship, wait for the uncensored BD, IF they can even get it and IF one even releases and that now applies to this anime too... |
You're right, I'm sure the TV executives enforcing their network's mandates won't be watching this show.
But that's why we should appreciate the anime productions that find and use these workarounds to get on the air anyway, even if it means having to wait for physical media to get the complete experience. Which, again, has basically been how shows like this have been handled for two decades.
Like I said, the alternative is that the anime tones down the content and there's just no uncensored version at all. And a lot of people just aren't understanding that.
When I see a show making this "multi-version" announcement, I applaud the production team, because that means the staff of the anime cared enough to go through the effort to stay true to the show's content, even if that version of the show only ever sees the light of day on a Japanese Blu-ray disc.
The fact that it even exists is something fans should cherish. That's all I was trying to say.
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Villain-chan
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2023 5:31 pm
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@HHQ So this is a bit awkward but when i said what HHQ said, I was talking about what Mune said... I used the quotes to remember both of your names and thought the top one was the 1st poster but it was yours hence the mix up. I've since edited my OG post, sorry for the mix up. As for your response
Ofc u didn't, I brought it up as a point of why this is silly, while also saying Mune's response wasn't silly. And ofc people always have to play by some rule somewhere from someone, but in the case of censorship it'll only get worse if people continue to stay silent and not push back on it. What ur stance is saying is this is how it is, deal with it. Thats not right. That said yes thats the reality but we aren't here to discuss give up and stop bringing it up. (Not saying u said this, but that's how ur response to Mune comes off) Mune pointed out why this sucks, I pointed out further in agreement with Mune and brought up points that is why censorship is stupid.
I only saw the uncensored vers of some ecchi anime that got censored on broadcast, I don't recall any news till today mentioning the audio too is being censored. Either way, less than 4 years and censorship continues getting worse as said, again, when is enough enough?
True but when people talk in the way u've been talking, it only reinforces censorship is ok, even if thats not what u believe as now made clear to me by ur responses to me, it still doesn't help push back on censorship and ofc, change won't come unless people advocate for it but that's a discussion am not getting into becus this isn't the time or place for it.
Ok, THAT makes sense. I see your view now. Its funny, we both did the same thing. We took what someone else said as a means of their words and actions only helping censorship when that wasn't the case and am sure Mune isn't for censorship either. While I can understand and to an extent, get behind applauding the multiple ver aspect, I at the same time have to disagree with it for the reasons stated. Sure its been 2 decades this has been going on. Sure a VERY vocal minority has influenced those with power and connections to enforce censorship, sure this sucks, but its 2023, parental controls have been a thing for prolly 2 decades also, as I mentioned b4, and censorship period, has NO BUSINESS continuing to exist when parental controls are a thing. I could go on but I won't but thats why I see multiple vers as a bad thing also, they shouldn't exist as they should always be 100% uncensored. I get where u'r coming from but thats only letting the current censorship triade we have going on now win when we should be stating clearly, no censorship, only 1 ver and it being 100% uncensored. The only thing BD should have dif from the broadcast/streamed ver is touched up art (Fixing mistakes) which is starting to happen less these days (Understandable so, too much anime being made to go back and fix mistakes made)
I also believe Mune was clear enough (Albeit, if I had to nitpick, they should've just said the uncensored ver instead of adding in the most to that line...) that they only want uncensored ver. (Or as close to uncensored as exists which is prolly what their line meant there) so I don't think what u think they are saying is what they were saying there.
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MFrontier
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 12:37 am
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Well, that escalated quickly.
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njprogfan
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 6:08 am
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The beginning of this preview the animation looked terribly clunky but as it progressed it had more fluidity. I'm hoping this gets ironed out because although they'll be multiple versions of a manga that is out-an-out pure ecchiness, crappy animation will put even a more damper on the inevitable censored version we'll be seeing. I'm keeping my fingers crossed...
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Angel M Cazares
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 7:47 pm
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I would like for Sentai/HIDIVE to license this show, but I have no idea if they want to license more than 4 shows per season.
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Takkun4343
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 8:34 pm
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Angel M Cazares wrote: | I would like for Sentai/HIDIVE to license this show, but I have no idea if they want to license more than 4 shows per season. |
I don't think they'll have any other choice, smart money says Crunchyroll ain't touchin' this one with a sixty-foot pole.
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Glordit
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2023 11:57 pm
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Takkun4343 wrote: |
Angel M Cazares wrote: | I would like for Sentai/HIDIVE to license this show, but I have no idea if they want to license more than 4 shows per season. |
I don't think they'll have any other choice, smart money says Crunchyroll ain't touchin' this one with a sixty-foot pole. |
You would be surprised. CR streamed Words End Harem and Harem in the Labyrinth of Another World.
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dsfjr1190
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:03 am
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Looks good, but I'll wait for the uncensored version.
Censorship in ecchi shows offends me, as what is being censored is the whole selling point of the series.
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Penrhos
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:50 am
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So how many episodes before CR do a "Interspecies reviewers" on it?
"After careful consideration, we determined that this series falls outside of our standards. We have the utmost respect for our creators so rather than substantially alter the content, we felt taking it down was the most respectful choice".
I'm surprised this and Chained Solder ever got an adaptation.
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