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therjabundo
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 Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:25 am
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Yeah, definitely a big blow to Los Angeles VA's. I always knew the merger was going to be a very very bad move. To monopolize anime distribution and homogenize dubbing production is certainly not what is desirable for so many fans. It's a move that's an attempt to garner more profit while disparaging voice actors.
I'm concerned if this will also affect future returning dubs produced in LA like In/Spectre coming in January next year. There's a possibility for recasts as well.
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Greed1914
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:37 am
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Pretty sure it's less about "seamless production" and more of a signal that union contracts are a non-starter for the company. The coverage on this, and prior shows, suggests that Crunchyroll will pay more to maintain some roles, but it is going to be on an individual basis.
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MarshalBanana
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:53 pm
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So why couldn't they just continue using Bang Zoom! for the show, it seems like they created an issue where there wasn't one before.
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merr
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 1:33 pm
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| MarshalBanana wrote: | | So why couldn't they just continue using Bang Zoom! for the show, it seems like they created an issue where there wasn't one before. |
It is interesting. Funimation never worked with Bang Zoom AFAIK. Even when it would have made sense, like with the Nagato Yuki-chan or Eureka Seven Hi-Evolution dubs. I always wondered if there was a reason for that. After the merge, Crunchyroll did keep BZ for the latest Bookworm dub, but maybe the actor pay increases with with that one soured them on future projects.
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Lord Geo
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 1:33 pm
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| MarshalBanana wrote: | | So why couldn't they just continue using Bang Zoom! for the show, it seems like they created an issue where there wasn't one before. |
Two reasons, mainly:
1. Crunchyroll wants to produce as many simuldubs as possible in-house, which means in Texas. There will obviously be some exceptions, but they don't want to outsource as much anymore. In short, they (i.e. Sony) want to try to save as much money as possible, to maximize profit.
2. Using Bang Zoom! would likely mean working with SAG-AFTRA, which is where this entire situation is coming from. Of course, Crunchyroll is technically working with SAG-AFTRA with some stuff, like the Gundam: Cucuruz Doan's Island movie, but that's more a case where the two parties are both simply working with the actual company producing the dub, Sunrise/Bandai Namco, but they're not working directly with each other. Crunchyroll doesn't want to work with SAG-AFTRA directly when it comes to producing dubs.
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Ishida_Akira(fake)
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 3:20 pm
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| Lord Geo wrote: | | Crunchyroll doesn't want to work with SAG-AFTRA directly when it comes to producing dubs. |
I don't understand why not though? Does it cost more?
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Ryuji-Dono
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 3:29 pm
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| Ishida_Akira(fake) wrote: |
| Lord Geo wrote: | | Crunchyroll doesn't want to work with SAG-AFTRA directly when it comes to producing dubs. |
I don't understand why not though? Does it cost more? |
Namely, they want to keep the maximum profits for the execs.
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AJ (LordNikon)
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 5:12 pm
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I do not know what leverage SAG-AFTRA has either. This is not hospitality, manufacturing, or logistics. Not like SAG-AFTRA can call national strike and make any impact. No one is going to care in America that SAG-AFTRA VA shops being shut out of contracts.
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Farhanawesome
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 6:43 pm
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| therjabundo wrote: | | Yeah, definitely a big blow to Los Angeles VA's. I always knew the merger was going to be a very very bad move. To monopolize anime distribution and homogenize dubbing production is certainly not what is desirable for so many fans. It's a move that's an attempt to garner more profit while disparaging voice actors.
I'm concerned if this will also affect future returning dubs produced in LA like In/Spectre coming in January next year. There's a possibility for recasts as well. |
Well isn't Lizzie Freeman and Cristina Vee were non union ? I mean Jacob Hopkins still able to reprise his role in To your eternity S2. As long they not union, they still appear in any CR dubs like "Life with an Ordinary Guy in a Total Fantasy Knockout" had a two leads VA in L.A J Michael Tatum & Laura Stahl.
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WANNFH
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:17 pm
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| AJ (LordNikon) wrote: | | I do not know what leverage SAG-AFTRA has either. This is not hospitality, manufacturing, or logistics. Not like SAG-AFTRA can call national strike and make any impact. No one is going to care in America that SAG-AFTRA VA shops being shut out of contracts. |
Dunno, last time when industry execs thought that in 2016, SAG-AFTRA literally did just that and it ended with one of the biggest union strikes of all time. So no, they technically have enough leverage to call national-wide strike.
How far it can go and affect the industry is other way around though, especially with anime dubbing industry is very small number alone, let alone the union part of actors.
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MFrontier
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:46 pm
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So it sounds like they're moving away from relying on other dubbing studios unless they absolutely have to so even stuff that's additional seasons might get moved to Dallas and just have everybody reprise their role through remote recording? I think past shows they still had LA dub them even after the merger, but maybe that was the last of some holdouts?
It'll be interesting to see how much of the cast comes back this time around beyond Kyle.
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Zalis116
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:20 pm
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| therjabundo wrote: | | I always knew the merger was going to be a very very bad move. To monopolize anime distribution and homogenize dubbing production is certainly not what is desirable for so many fans. |
I'd say it was exactly what anime viewers have wanted. For years, they've complained about too many different companies licensing anime, and having to go to multiple websites and pay for multiple streaming subscriptions. They desired the ultimate convenience of having everything in one place and as cheaply as possible, under threat of blowing it all up and pirating everything if they didn't get what they wanted. So now that the Funi/CR merger has taken a large step in that direction, with the corresponding move of shifting dub production to lower-cost/non-union areas, the viewerbase is just reaping what it's sowed. A true example of "be careful what you wish for -- you just might get it."
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flamemasterelan
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:40 pm
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| Zalis116 wrote: | | I'd say it was exactly what anime viewers have wanted. For years, they've complained about too many different companies licensing anime, and having to go to multiple websites and pay for multiple streaming subscriptions. They desired the ultimate convenience of having everything in one place and as cheaply as possible, under threat of blowing it all up and pirating everything if they didn't get what they wanted. So now that the Funi/CR merger has taken a large step in that direction, with the corresponding move of shifting dub production to lower-cost/non-union areas, the viewerbase is just reaping what it's sowed. A true example of "be careful what you wish for -- you just might get it." |
You can see this with the reaction in the CR News' replies to Bleach being confirmed for Hulu. People are outright accusing CR/Viz of betraying them because...CR didn't get one license. Last I checked, it was 35+ comments, compared to the average of around 1-2 comments per article.
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AiddonValentine
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Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2022 1:13 am
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| Zalis116 wrote: |
| therjabundo wrote: | | I always knew the merger was going to be a very very bad move. To monopolize anime distribution and homogenize dubbing production is certainly not what is desirable for so many fans. |
I'd say it was exactly what anime viewers have wanted. For years, they've complained about too many different companies licensing anime, and having to go to multiple websites and pay for multiple streaming subscriptions. They desired the ultimate convenience of having everything in one place and as cheaply as possible, under threat of blowing it all up and pirating everything if they didn't get what they wanted. So now that the Funi/CR merger has taken a large step in that direction, with the corresponding move of shifting dub production to lower-cost/non-union areas, the viewerbase is just reaping what it's sowed. A true example of "be careful what you wish for -- you just might get it." |
People not understanding that monopolies are terrible for everyone and the industry at large. This whole thing is just slimy
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