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Rose White, Rose Red: The Real History of Requiem of the Rose King




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OnaraKao21



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:27 am Reply with quote
Very good summary of the dramatis personae during the War of the Roses. One minor correction though. Henry VI's son was Edward of Westminster, Prince of Wales, and he was married to Anne Neville for a short time before getting killed at the Battle of Tewkesbury.
Edward V was the son of Edward IV, who was usurped by his uncle, Richard III, and locked up in the Tower of London and murdered together with his younger brother, Richard of Shrewsbury, Duke of York. Edward V and Richard of Shrewsbury were the "Princes in the Tower".
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:30 am Reply with quote
OnaraKao21 wrote:
Very good summary of the dramatis personae during the War of the Roses. One minor correction though. Henry VI's son was Edward of Westminster, Prince of Wales, and he was married to Anne Neville for a short time before getting killed at the Battle of Tewkesbury.
Edward V was the son of Edward IV, who was usurped by his uncle, Richard III, and locked up in the Tower of London and murdered together with his younger brother, Richard of Shrewsbury, Duke of York. Edward V and Richard of Shrewsbury were the "Princes in the Tower".


Hey OnaraKao21! Just emailed the editorial team on this! Thank you for spotting this correction and just wait for the updated version of it! Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 12:13 pm Reply with quote
Fixed! That was totally my brain and my hands not communicating with each other. Embarassed Thanks for catching it!
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OnaraKao21



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:33 pm Reply with quote
Princess_Irene wrote:
Fixed! That was totally my brain and my hands not communicating with each other. Embarassed Thanks for catching it!

Glad to help. It's very difficult with all the Edwards, Richards and Henrys having the same first names! It's much easier to keep track of the Tokugawa shoguns Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:47 pm Reply with quote
I suppose you could say that Elizabeth Woodville's marriage to Edward IV was a case of "marrying down", though maybe not the conventional meaning of this phrase. She was considered to be one of the most beautiful women in Europe by contemporary sources Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:30 am Reply with quote
Cutiebunny wrote:
I suppose you could say that Elizabeth Woodville's marriage to Edward IV was a case of "marrying down", though maybe not the conventional meaning of this phrase. She was considered to be one of the most beautiful women in Europe by contemporary sources Laughing


This is a real, honest-to-goodness question: I thought the conventional meaning of "marrying down" was "to marry someone beneath your social status." Is there another meaning that's eclipsed that?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:23 pm Reply with quote
This article refers to Joan of Arc's "prowess in battle", which is misleading since she said (during the fourth session of her trial) that she didn't fight: she said she carried her banner in battle and stayed out of the fighting. She didn't lead directly, as we know from the Royal military records and eyewitness accounts. She denied calling herself a commander. Some of the commanders said they asked for her advice after accepting her as a valid religious visionary, and both sides believed she was influencing events supernaturally, not due to any physical "prowess".
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:38 pm Reply with quote
Yes, I could have phrased that better - Shakespeare's rather more convinced in Henry VI Part 1 that she may have been fighting, but her military "prowess" was more spiritual/supernatural than physical in history.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:13 am Reply with quote
CGesange wrote:

This article refers to Joan of Arc's "prowess in battle", which is misleading since she said (during the fourth session of her trial) that she didn't fight: she said she carried her banner in battle and stayed out of the fighting. She didn't lead directly, as we know from the Royal military records and eyewitness accounts. She denied calling herself a commander. Some of the commanders said they asked for her advice after accepting her as a valid religious visionary, and both sides believed she was influencing events supernaturally, not due to any physical "prowess".


Joan of Arc's field function was more like a persuasive cult leader inspiring her believers to religious fervor. It worked - increased morale and kept her people together, fighting harder beyond tiredness

But her military know-how was non-existent - she was just an untrained young peasant girl, after all. It's pretty much just keep charging forward, God's on our side to protect us, no matter what. Her military leaders had to rein her in when she's overstretching and wanted to keep going despite being bad idea
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:22 am Reply with quote
I've got to admit I'm pretty lukewarm with Requiem of the Rose despite everything about its description sounding like its something right up my alley. I can usually ignore problems with pacing or workmanlike art and animation so I couldn't pinpoint why. Now I realize it might be because I only have a passing knowledge of this period in history, as well as the play it inspired. (Fact is I'm one of those heathens who haven't read any Shakespearean work, except for an abridged Merchant of Venice, which is the only required reading on Shakespeare we had in school for some reason), so I'm really grateful for this introduction to the characters as it helped me gain some appreciation of who's who and what's actually happening. Will definitely give the manga a shot (those cover artwork are gorgeous!) even if the anime fails to impress so far.
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