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TranceLimit174
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 Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:56 am
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| Jean-Karlo wrote: | | Joe's death inspired a real-life funeral in Japan, and several hundred people attended even! |
Actually, the funeral was for Tōru Rikiishi. A similar event was held for Raoh from Hokuto no Ken.
Another great installment of This Week In Anime and you guys nailed it. Ashita no Joe isn't an easy watch these days because of its age, but it's so influential that it's all but required viewing for anime fans. If anime had a Criterion Collection, this would be right up there along with Tezuka and Miyazaki.
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cchigu
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:20 am
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Nothing left but pure white ashes. What a goddamn finale! One of the greatest endings to a TV show!
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tintor2
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:05 pm
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In regards to rivals, the studio of Pierrot were actually inspired by Joe and Rikishi when animating the final fight between Naruto and Sasuke from Part 1. The whole idea of turning the underdog Naruto into Sasuke's equal resulted in of those episodes from the final fight (although Naruto still lost). A lot of manga author also cite this series as inspirations or just references including Gintama and Bakuman. Even the same goes with Kyo Kusanagi from The King of Fighters who tends to yell about burning whenever he attacks. He even who has a friend even named Yabuki. Still, Kyo's bigger influence was a member from Getter Robo too.
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whiskeyii
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:25 pm
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Honestly, the whole Rikiishi plot explains so dang much about a similar plot line in Hajime no Ippo that just confused the heck out of me for years, and kind of still does to this day. Why wouldn’t it be easier for a boxer to move up a class by gaining weight and muscle mass rather than trying to lose it via dehydration? I get that Ashita no Joe is extreme and hardcore, but it always deeply confused me that boxers always went down a class but not up. 
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blahmoomoo
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:04 pm
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| whiskeyii wrote: | Honestly, the whole Rikiishi plot explains so dang much about a similar plot line in Hajime no Ippo that just confused the heck out of me for years, and kind of still does to this day. Why wouldn’t it be easier for a boxer to move up a class by gaining weight and muscle mass rather than trying to lose it via dehydration? I get that Ashita no Joe is extreme and hardcore, but it always deeply confused me that boxers always went down a class but not up. |
I took a quick look around. It appears the main reason for this is it's easier (if it isn't too extreme) to adjust to weight loss than weight gain. Also, agreeing to fight at a weight class (it seems this is usually negotiated between the fighters) means any weight under than the maximum is allowed, so there is no incentive to gain weight. But a lighter class fighter going against a heavier class fighter is usually a disadvantageous position to be in. So if the fighters aren't in the same class, the agreement probably ends up closer to the lighter class fighter.
Now, if a fighter dehydrated to reach a lighter class, they are able to rehydrate after the weigh in and regain some of that weight before the fight. So in that way it does seem like a weird practice to me. Like if you want to fight someone moderately lighter (at least, among the lighter classes), you have to suffer a bit for the privilege to fight them. I guess as a handicap or something. I suppose if you are someone who isn't great in your natural weight class, but is better in one weight class below, that would be a reason to do weight cutting.
I think tournaments and the like are usually per weight class, so fighting people outside of your weight class is probably more for exhibition matches and the like. A significant part of the continuation of Tomorrow's Joe, which unfortunately has been dropped from Crunchyroll (it was called Champion Joe 2), is about Joe trying to stay in his weight class as he participates in a tournament where there is no option to go up a class.
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ItAintEazy
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:22 pm
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| Quote: | | Much like with Rocky, which came out decades after Tomorrow's Joe, |
Well, ackshually...
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leongsh
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Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:50 am
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The 1st season of Ashita no Joe anime ran from 1970-1971. The movie, Rocky, came out in 1976. Thus, 5 years and not decades.
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