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Watanabefan
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 Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 1:56 pm
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I'm glad they at least seem to be taking steps to address it.
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 2:08 pm
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More censorship for the easily offended.
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SkyLETV34
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 2:13 pm
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Not again... 
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Jhechav
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 2:17 pm
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I appreciate that they're doing this. You can't call changing the character name in the credits "censorship." Maybe you can about the other stuff, but not that. People are too easily offended by people being offended by things. Endless cycle.
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cyborgkiddo
Joined: 04 Jan 2018
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 2:29 pm
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| Tuor_of_Gondolin wrote: | | More censorship for the easily offended. |
It seems like you were the one offended
Removed insult-LL
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SkyLETV34
Joined: 12 Feb 2018
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 2:40 pm
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| Jhechav wrote: | | You can't call changing the character name in the credits "censorship." Maybe you can about the other stuff, but not that.. |
Yeah, one thing is the name in the credits (which I can understand) but another completely different thing is to change the lines of a character because it can be offensive. Like, why?! The character is supposed to be made in a way, you may agree or disagree with him on many things but that's how it is made. You can't just change it to your liking, if you are offended by that, then you better play another game.
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sunglasses24
Joined: 24 May 2019
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 2:47 pm
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Never apologize to a mob.
Too many people have begged for Atlus USA to do something in this situation, and the moment they do, people claim it's not "good enough" and that more must be done on Atlus USA's part to address "transphobia" in their company. I'm mostly referring to some tweets that I saw discussing this situation.
I personally feel that Atlus USA should have approached this the same way that Atlus JP did.
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gloverrandal
Joined: 20 May 2014
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 2:58 pm
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I am not surprised. America is much more uptight about these issues than Japan is.
I hear how often stuff like this is changed in American translations of Japanese anime too. You can't show this stuff in America.
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RealMTL
Joined: 09 Jun 2018
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 3:07 pm
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| Jhechav wrote: | | I appreciate that they're doing this. You can't call changing the character name in the credits "censorship." Maybe you can about the other stuff, but not that. People are too easily offended by people being offended by things. Endless cycle. |
At this point it's a no win scenario. People will be mad whether or not they changed it.
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Watanabefan
Joined: 02 Oct 2017
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 3:13 pm
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| Jhechav wrote: | | People are too easily offended by people being offended by things. Endless cycle. |
Accurate summation of things. If you're someone who is not trans or weren't upset in the first place, changing the deadname in the credits literally doesn't affect you in any way. It is, ironically, the definition of looking for something to be offended at.
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AmpersandsUnited
Joined: 22 Mar 2012
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 3:42 pm
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| sunglasses24 wrote: | | I personally feel that Atlus USA should have approached this the same way that Atlus JP did. |
If you go by the comments made by Atlus USA employees on Twitter, Atlus USA has been begging Atlus Japan to adopt American core values since Persona 4 Golden, but every time the Japanese side brushed them off and told them they will focus on the fans first and foremost and stick to the series Japanese roots they like.
I take it they got fed up and decided they would censor and change things themselves if Japan wasn't going to fall in line. It does makes you wonder how they're going to censor Persona 5 The Royal as well, given the same types of people complained a lot about that game as well.
I personally don't get the point of censoring things like this in localization. It doesn't suddenly make it canon. It's just trying to hide it away but everyone still knows they're there since it was announced publicly so it's not as if people aren't going to know what actually happens in the original version.
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cyborgkiddo
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 3:57 pm
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Why is everyone referring to this as censorship? It's not censorship. Censoring would be making Erica not trans, like Nintendo of America did to Vivian in Paper Mario. This is a small localisation change so as not to be pointlessly offensive to trans people. It's basic human decency and respect to a group of people who are rarely given any sort of human decency or respect. Why complain about it? It's a small change that does not affect you negatively in any way, and which affects a small group of people positively.
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ZODDGUTS
Joined: 27 Oct 2003
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 4:15 pm
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| SkyLETV34 wrote: |
| Jhechav wrote: | | You can't call changing the character name in the credits "censorship." Maybe you can about the other stuff, but not that.. |
Yeah, one thing is the name in the credits (which I can understand) but another completely different thing is to change the lines of a character because it can be offensive. Like, why?! The character is supposed to be made in a way, you may agree or disagree with him on many things but that's how it is made. You can't just change it to your liking, if you are offended by that, then you better play another game. |
Sadly seems you can't make gray characters anymore in this era, every character gotta be an ideal person despite Vincent himself being shown to be very flawed person.
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TasteyCookie
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 4:37 pm
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More pointless censorship to the minority whining on Twitter. And yes it is censorship. No one cares about the name change in the credits, it's the rewriting of the characters and dialog and ending so that it "doesn't offend people" who are still going to find ways to be offended anyways. Oh well, not going to buy the game then. Too bad you don't want our money Atlus, cancelling my pre-order. Keep your outside politics out of games, it's not going to help anyone.
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configspace
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 5:23 pm
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| cyborgkiddo wrote: | | Why is everyone referring to this as censorship? It's not censorship. Censoring would be making Erica not trans, like Nintendo of America did to Vivian in Paper Mario. This is a small localisation change so as not to be pointlessly offensive to trans people. It's basic human decency and respect to a group of people who are rarely given any sort of human decency or respect. Why complain about it? It's a small change that does not affect you negatively in any way, and which affects a small group of people positively. |
It's censorship because it changes the original dialogue and the story scenario from what it was and original intent. Who cares if it's offensive to some people? That's the personality of the character Vincent.
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