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INTEREST: Senran Kagura Livestream Cut Short After Showing Real-World Pinball Game


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Arale Kurashiki



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:40 pm Reply with quote
Senran Kagura was notable for its mixture of fanservice and serious storytelling, but it's just straight-up porn now, so I don't really have sympathy for it when it does something like this.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:05 pm Reply with quote
I had to do a double take on this one.

I must admit I do not understand the popularity of these types of games, I have seen a short lets plays of them, including Omega Lab Z (the one recently banned in a few countries) and the gameplay is so monotonous and mindnumbingly boring for what amounts to only a few minutes of tilltilation.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:28 pm Reply with quote
Another example of difference of cultures.
Some Japanese TV variety shows have gravure idols participating in this kind of games.
You can still see some on YouTube that are not censored by the Youtube morality police.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:30 pm Reply with quote
Arale Kurashiki wrote:
Senran Kagura was notable for its mixture of fanservice and serious storytelling, but it's just straight-up porn now, so I don't really have sympathy for it when it does something like this.



Um... Have you seen porn? How is it straight up porn now? Considering it's not even allowed to show anything explicit, I'm really confused about your definition...Heck if you live in the US you don't even have to be an adult to buy any of the Senran Kagura games.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:34 pm Reply with quote
TasteyCookie wrote:
Arale Kurashiki wrote:
Senran Kagura was notable for its mixture of fanservice and serious storytelling, but it's just straight-up porn now, so I don't really have sympathy for it when it does something like this.



Um... Have you seen porn? How is it straight up porn now? Considering it's not even allowed to show anything explicit, I'm really confused about your definition...Heck if you live in the US you don't even have to be an adult to buy any of the Senran Kagura games.

The defining element of porn is not "does it show a Genitalia?", it's "is this purely for sexual pleasure and not other forms of enjoyment". Senran Kagura has stripped away (lol) its serious characterization and storytelling to be only sexy stuff, so that becomes the primary point of enjoyment. It's the mixture that made the series notable; without that mixture, it's just something for teens to jack off to.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:41 pm Reply with quote
Arale Kurashiki wrote:

The defining element of porn is not "does it show a Genitalia?", it's "is this purely for sexual pleasure and not other forms of enjoyment". Senran Kagura has stripped away (lol) its serious characterization and storytelling to be only sexy stuff, so that becomes the primary point of enjoyment. It's the mixture that made the series notable; without that mixture, it's just something for teens to jack off to.

And that is somehow terrible because of... what now?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:46 pm Reply with quote
Arale Kurashiki wrote:
The defining element of porn is not "does it show a Genitalia?", it's "is this purely for sexual pleasure and not other forms of enjoyment". Senran Kagura has stripped away (lol) its serious characterization and storytelling to be only sexy stuff, so that becomes the primary point of enjoyment. It's the mixture that made the series notable; without that mixture, it's just something for teens to jack off to.


No because it still contains gameplay. Even if you don't enjoy the gameplay, which is totally fine,the fact that it has gameplay that many people enjoy, makes it not porn by even your own definition: "is this purely for sexual pleasure and not other forms of enjoyment." It's not only sexy stuff as the games continue to be some of the best beat em ups out there. Even some of the spin offs like Bon Appetit is a very fun rhythm game, with or without fan-service. Will the pinball game be fun? We'll have to see. If it's more fun than other pinball games, then your point will be disproven again.
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Arale Kurashiki



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:12 pm Reply with quote
TasteyCookie: That's a good point. You don't need to phrase it like "my point will be disproven", I don't need to be proven right or wrong, it's just how I saw it. But you're right, the gameplay might very well be legitimately fun to some. I would maintain that this series' style defines it more than gameplay, though.

FenixFiesta wrote:
Arale Kurashiki wrote:

The defining element of porn is not "does it show a Genitalia?", it's "is this purely for sexual pleasure and not other forms of enjoyment". Senran Kagura has stripped away (lol) its serious characterization and storytelling to be only sexy stuff, so that becomes the primary point of enjoyment. It's the mixture that made the series notable; without that mixture, it's just something for teens to jack off to.

And that is somehow terrible because of... what now?

Because I liked the series when it was more unique? Lol, I'm just saying that I liked it better before when it was more original, I don't know why that's such a big deal. Or are you asking why something losing originality is bad...?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:12 pm Reply with quote
Hm... Anime / Anime style games seems to be under siege as of late. Seems to be happening a lot on youtube as well, though it's rare for them to go to the length of censoring a livestream though (from a company no less).
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:26 pm Reply with quote
S0crates wrote:
Hm... Anime / Anime style games seems to be under siege as of late. Seems to be happening a lot on youtube as well, though it's rare for them to go to the length of censoring a livestream though (from a company no less).

Probably that happened because of the real life pinball game with the gravure idol, than the Senran Kagura game.

Most Japanese TV variety shows that have gravure idols participating in this kind of games are censored on YouTube. They don't have nudity but are consider too sexy for YouTube.

For Japanese media is best to watch on niconico because they don't have the problems that a American site like YouTube have with some types of media like hipper fanservice anime/games or TV variety shows that have gravure idols as guest.


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I was watching live when it happened. Never laughed so hard in my life.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:34 pm Reply with quote
Arale Kurashiki wrote:

Because I liked the series when it was more unique? Lol, I'm just saying that I liked it better before when it was more original, I don't know why that's such a big deal. Or are you asking why something losing originality is bad...?

Some people unironically enjoy something that is "unoriginal" as long as the content is executed well.
Echhi content with Ninja themed heroines wasn't exactly the most original idea in the first place, so I can assume you became a fan of the original releases based on the nature that the games were a fun experience in the first place.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:47 pm Reply with quote
Arale Kurashiki wrote:
The defining element of porn is not "does it show a Genitalia?", it's "is this purely for sexual pleasure and not other forms of enjoyment".
That isn't the legal definition of porn. I get that some people dislike sexual content in entertainment but to claim that it is porn is completely changing the definition of the word. Senran Kagura is an ecchi game series but it is a game series that was specifically made so that teenagers could buy it.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:07 pm Reply with quote
Youtube are a bunch of corporate tyrants, enough said. They'll never be like TV so they should stop while they're ahead. Let Disney or Amazon do that instead.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:26 pm Reply with quote
Jonny Mendes wrote:
S0crates wrote:
Hm... Anime / Anime style games seems to be under siege as of late. Seems to be happening a lot on youtube as well, though it's rare for them to go to the length of censoring a livestream though (from a company no less).

Probably that happened because of the real life pinball game with the gravure idol, than the Senran Kagura game.

Most Japanese TV variety shows that have gravure idols participating in this kind of games are censored on YouTube. They don't have nudity but are consider too sexy for YouTube.

For Japanese media is best to watch on niconico because they don't have the problems that a American site like YouTube have with some types of media like hipper fanservice anime/games or TV variety shows that have gravure idols as guest.


Actually there has been take down of videos as of late from prominent anime promoters that apparently makes it impossible to stream visual novels because you get those "too sexy for youtube" strikes too often. The most recent video from Lost Pause probably sums it up pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz72Hg6PsEQ&t=

I also heard the "safe for work" friendly version of promotion material of VR Kanojo (which is a pron game mind you) got taken down, even if the video showed no nudity. Not only that, but their whole channel got deleted because of it. Didn't stop them from becoming the nr. 1 sold VR game on Steam for a while (maybe it even helped), but it shows how potent and harsh youtube can be, even against organized companies that hire a lot of people and obviously has several eyes on the case and their jobs on the line. I'd assume they'd be even harsher on minor individuals which makes it kinda impossible for newcomers to do things already established youtubers can do.

Makes you kinda worried about the future of anime, as most of the enjoyment around the medium is discussing the seasonal anime, and youtube is a primary channel for such discussion (and meme sharing).
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