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justsomeaccount
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:05 am
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Didn't Tezuka die of stomach cancer? I don't know enough about medicine to know how treatable was back then and how his lifestyle affected that, but at first sight he doesn't seem to be he type of person Shigeru Mizuki talked about of dying from overworking.
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mgosdin
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:47 am
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No 60 isn't old, I'm 59 and will reach that age in a few months. I've known people that took on backbreaking loads of work only to be worn down to the point that something that would otherwise not be a problem puts them in the hospital.
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Nonaka Machine Gun B
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:57 am
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It always shocks me when publishers allow big names to get away to other publishers. Shueisha losing Takei's Shaman King, and Square Enix letting Hiromu Arakawa and Atsushi Ohkubo create their follow-up series with another company just seems like poor business decisions. Though, i suppose those aren't examples of working at two places at once; which they probably would try to put a stop to.
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Polycell
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:01 pm
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Ultimately it's the mangaka that owns the series. However, the fact that manga always get a new name when they magazine hop(eg, My Apron! becomes My Apron! Neo) indicates to me things a tad more complex.
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Aquamine-Amarine
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:31 pm
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You left out Peach-Pit. They've done this multiple times.
Early in their career, it was DearS (Mediaworks), Rozen Maiden (Gentosha; this was the first season), and Zombie-Loan (Square Enix).
A few years later it was Rozen Maiden II (Shueisha), Zombie-Loan (Square Enix), and Shugo Chara! (Kodansha).
The most recent one was Kugiko-chan and Kingyozaka Noboru (both from Kodansha) and Wandering Wonder World (Kadokawa Shoten).
Knowing how big their workload was in the past has made me concerned about all the hiatuses they've been taking with Rozen Maiden 0...
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littlegreenwolf
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:19 pm
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A lot of it also has to do with a mangaka's editor, who is pretty much an "agent". Some artists (mainly ones who do one-shots) will stick with a publisher for years, but then an editor will be all "I want to go join this publisher who is starting a new magazine, you wanna go?" and take with him a whole bunch of artists. This kind of stuff would be unheard of with western artists where the publishers own particular works, but in Japan you'll see various one shot chapters published in a magazine by one publisher make it to a book print by another publisher because of this.
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OjaruFan
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:36 pm
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Quote: | For example Osamu Tezuka drew several series simultaneously AND managed an animation studio AND did commercial illustration work. |
Now that's some serious dedication!
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zawa113
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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:24 pm
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justsomeaccount wrote: | Didn't Tezuka die of stomach cancer? I don't know enough about medicine to know how treatable was back then and how his lifestyle affected that, but at first sight he doesn't seem to be he type of person Shigeru Mizuki talked about of dying from overworking. |
Tezuka did die from stomach cancer, but according to the Life os Osamu Tezuka manga, it seems he ignored some really major and obvious symptoms in order to keep working. Even in the hospital, he wouldn't stop working (even if he was forced to cut back a bit). If he has gone to a doctor when symptoms appeared that he noticed instead of brushing them off to work more, he probably would've lived longer. I'm not sure how treatable stomach cancer was back then either, but late 80s, so chemo should have been available.
Of course, even today, pancreatic cancer is hard to treat and hard to find until it's too late (that was the cause of death for Satoshi Kon, who was only 46). Stomach cancer isn't as deadly, it's a shame Tezuka ignored the symptoms for so long.
I know Fumi Yoshinaga is working on two series right now, Ooku and What Did You Eat Yesterday. I think one is once a month, and the other is every other month, so that's not too terrible to keep up with (even if the Ooku chapters are close to 50 pages).
But I also feel like I see mangaka who can't seem to handle multiple series and one seems to suffer majorly for it, if not both. Hopefully now that Ten Count is over, Rihito Takarai can focus on Graineliers more! I've seen "chapters" be 4 pages long! What's really annoying to me though is when a creator is *supposedly* working on series, yet we haven't seen any Real or Vagabond in years and I am becoming sad
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SunTrip
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:44 am
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I thought Manga Companies are 'Strict' (like Shueisha), do they really allow a Multi-Company or Multi-Employed Mangaka to work in their Company? [I'm not just talking about Shueisha, but all Manga Companies in General... Do they allow it?]
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Hoppy800
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:42 am
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There's one reason mangaka and artists are dying too soon. It looks like an ok practice on paper, but it just leads to overwork. There really needs to be a 2 work limit for mangaka and maybe 3-5 for artists depending on what they are doing.
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sputn1k
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:18 am
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It is also not unheard of that writers in stricter contracts wrote for for others under an alias.
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DanQ
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:48 pm
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Go Nagai is another example of author working on multiple series for different publishers.
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HikariGo
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:28 pm
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SunTrip wrote: | I thought Manga Companies are 'Strict' (like Shueisha), do they really allow a Multi-Company or Multi-Employed Mangaka to work in their Company? [I'm not just talking about Shueisha, but all Manga Companies in General... Do they allow it?] |
Perhaps mangaka in Japan do not have exclusivity contracts?
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SunTrip
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:07 pm
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HikariGo wrote: |
SunTrip wrote: | I thought Manga Companies are 'Strict' (like Shueisha), do they really allow a Multi-Company or Multi-Employed Mangaka to work in their Company? [I'm not just talking about Shueisha, but all Manga Companies in General... Do they allow it?] |
Perhaps mangaka in Japan do not have exclusivity contracts? |
Aahh right, Contracts, maybe similar to Freelance Animators with a contract that states "to work in the company/studio until Series is over", so Mangakas might be Semi-Freelancers, right?
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Alan45
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:16 am
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Hoppy800 wrote: | There's one reason mangaka and artists are dying too soon. It looks like an ok practice on paper, but it just leads to overwork. There really needs to be a 2 work limit for mangaka and maybe 3-5 for artists depending on what they are doing. |
Interesting suggestion. Just who would you have monitor these people and enforce such limits?
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