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Dr. Wily
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Hey hey hey, I'm not one of the unwashed masses! I took a shower today.
But I do understand. I try to appreciate the classics, but I remember long ago when Toonami tried to air the original Gundam, but after watching Gundam Wing I just could not get past how... old the series looked. These days I can cope with such things better, but I'd be lying if I said I seek out old titles rather than watching more contemporary anime. |
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Ambulator
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I've never heard it called pillarboxing before, only letterboxing. Well, live and learn.
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luffypirate
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As my son would say “daddy, why do you watch OLD anime?” :p
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heavyweather
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It's not just classic anime - it's very rare for any major network to air pre-HD (or pre-widescreen) content. TBS' reruns of Friends and Seinfeld are stretched to 16 by 9. Most PBS stations still air Keeping Up Appearances and The Lawrence Welk Show, but that's it as far as older content, without going to more obscure cable channels.
And besides, Adult Swim has a small block, and a ton of new shows to choose from. They really don't need to go back. |
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Frenzie
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Pillarboxing is the "opposite" of letterboxing, i.e., 4:3 to widescreen as opposed to widescreen to 4:3. |
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FLCLGainax
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We're lucky to be getting remastered versions of Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop on Toonami at all. Only a few years ago, they used to air old SD masters of Ghost in the Shell: SAC which were blurry and stretched.
I wonder how they would re-air the original FLCL episodes later this year, in anticipation of the new seasons. It would be a choice between upscaling their old SD masters or using the poor upscale from the Blu-ray. |
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svines85
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Hah... "the unwashed masses", good call, Justin, good call
Yup, it's a shame, but you just can't teach people to have good taste, eh? Great article, thanks a lot 
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DamianSalazar
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I feel like people forget to mention that Toonami cannot air unlicensed material, the Hunter x Hunter of 1999 has gone out of print and Viz aren't interested in re-licensing it.
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Xe4
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It's worth noting that The Wire was originally shot in 16:9 because it came at the time which it was pretty obvious that was the format for the digital future. Simon shot it in that and cut it down so as to future proof the series.
Every other point is spot on. No one except for classic movie and show channels (which don't really show anime much anyways) will do SD letterboxed stuff. |
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MarshalBanana
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The funny thing is that when Toonami first came back, people were complaining about how most of the shows were from the old Toonami run. I strongly disagree with the part about the mainstream, a good chunk of the people who watch Toonami are those who first saw it many years ago.
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Primus
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A better question would be why it took Viz a decade to release the original Hunter x Hunter. If they didn't take their sweet time, the show would've had a better shot at landing a TV deal and probably would've gotten a higher budgeted dub.
I don't believe that, Justin. Dragon Ball Z is the only anime series that's been cropped recently by R1 anime distributors for home video. Sailor Moon, Escaflowne, Cowboy Bebop, even Speed Racer, are all presented in their OARs. It's funny, because back in the day the stereotype for consumers complaining about 16:9 DVDs on their 4:3 televisions were supposedly the non-AV aficionados, mainly consisting of an older demographic. Yet the audience for a mass market Speed Racer product (the cheap sets got into Wal-Mart) somehow isn't today's equivalent of that. 
The first 98 episodes of Dragon Ball Kai are 4:3. The show was successful in the US on Nicktoons, The CW and Toonami. Each of them presented it in 4:3. If that was such a huge turn off, why did Toonami grab Kai instead of running the 16:9 crop of Z for those episodes? No, Funimation cropped Z because it was far cheaper to chop the top and bottom and apply some DVR than do a full frame restoration. Those sets sold better because they weren't released directly after a glut of other Dragon Ball home video product and had a far cheaper per episode cost than their 4:3 counterparts. Cost is almost certainly a bigger factor to the mainstream consumer than presentation. |
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CatSword
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I really hope that if we ever do end up seeing Sailor Moon on Toonami again, it's the HD remaster/redub of the original and not Crystal. Crystal isn't going to catch as many nostalgic eyes and is also just plain lackluster.
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jlaking
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Those two shows were filmed on 35mm film for 16:9 and then cropped later. The credits of the show even mention this. |
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Lionel Horsepackage
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Not correct -- The Wire was shot in the 1.33:1 aspect ratio right from the very beginning (David Simon and Robert Colesberry wanted to shoot in widescreen at the start, but HBO wouldn't budge, due to budgetary reasons). When pre-production began on Season 3, HBO finally offered them the opportunity to shoot in WS, but given how successful and raw and gritty the 4x3 framing was in the first two seasons, Simon declined. It was for the BD release that HBO started work on reframing the series in 16:9 widescreen, and brought Simon onboard to oversee the process -- Simon goes into deep detail on the whole affair here on his blog: http://www.davidsimon.com/the-wire-hd-with-videos/ Last edited by Lionel Horsepackage on Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:33 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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NJ_
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It was confirmed on a preflight episode 2 years ago that Toonami tried to get Crystal but they lost their chance when Hulu outbid them and considering that Viz posted all of season 3's dub on there and Yahoo back in October, that deal won't be ending anytime soon. Can't speak for the original on Hulu except Viz hasn't done anything new since posting the rest of the R redub in July 2015 and finishing the Stars subs in April 2016. |
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