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Ialdaboth
Joined: 09 Nov 2004
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 Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:17 pm
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Okay, somebody explain to me the trick, please. Pure demographics artefact ?
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Velocial
Joined: 10 Mar 2015
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Location: Utah
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:24 pm
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| Quote: | | An Akihabara rental service would let individuals hang out with a NEET for 1,000 yen (9.75 USD) for one hour. |
How can they actually be a real NEET if they're getting paid by a company?
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EricJ2
Joined: 01 Feb 2014
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:27 pm
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| Ialdaboth wrote: | | Okay, somebody explain to me the trick, please. Pure demographics artefact ? |
Gee, Japan's "Bullying, public humiliation, and paranoid social scapegoating" campaign must be working...
| Quote: | | An entire <href>board game mimicking the popular Life game but replaced with NEET-related themes debuted last year. An Akihabara rental service would let individuals hang out with a NEET for 1,000 yen (9.75 USD) for one hour. |
There's nothing that kills off a lifestyle trend faster than making it "cartoonish" by mainstream-commercializing it.
The idea of shows like Ultimate Otaku Teacher or I Can't Understand What My Husband Is Saying depicting NEETs as wacky quasi-human mythical creatures that everyone wants to be curious about is unfortunately stepping on NEET's actual desire to pursue their interests and defend their life away from the pressures of the public.
(Sort of like everyone stopped talking about Nerds after they became a big trendy pop thing in the 80's...After the movie, it was just downhill.)
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MarshalBanana
Joined: 31 Aug 2014
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:47 pm
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| EricJ2 wrote: |
| Ialdaboth wrote: | | Okay, somebody explain to me the trick, please. Pure demographics artefact ? |
Gee, Japan's "Bullying, public humiliation, and paranoid social scapegoating" campaign must be working... |
Wasn't that what made them NEETS in the first place, a society full of pressure and expectations.
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Lemonchest
Joined: 18 Mar 2015
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:16 pm
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I find the term NEET offensive. I prefer to be called a 21st Century Gentleman of Leisure. Please correct your article to reflect this.
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Via_01
Joined: 24 Aug 2014
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:25 pm
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| EricJ2 wrote: | | There's nothing that kills off a lifestyle trend faster than making it "cartoonish" by mainstream-commercializing it.
The idea of shows like Ultimate Otaku Teacher or I Can't Understand What My Husband Is Saying depicting NEETs as wacky quasi-human mythical creatures that everyone wants to be curious about is unfortunately stepping on NEET's actual desire to pursue their interests and defend their life away from the pressures of the public. |
Sorry, but I don't believe most people turn into NEETs only to "pursue their interests". I do believe that the image of NEETs has turned somewhat cartoonish over the years (though I can only speak from our niche world of anime), but let's be honest here, not being in education, employment or training doesn't necessarily mean that they are striving for a greater goal or dream that doesn't fall into any of those categories. More often than not, they are probably people unmotivated and/or unwilling to work properly, that at the same time wish to live an easy life enjoying the stuff they like.
"Welcome to the NHK" actually raised a point that I still believe is valid regarding why people turn into NEETs and/or hikikomoris, and the answer is simply "because they can". Because if you don't want to work, but have a caring family that keeps providing you with the necessary amount of money to live, then you can just spend your days doing nothing as an adult.
Of course, I don't mean to say that there aren't NEETs who simply can't find a job or work in something that doesn't technically qualifies as "employment", but we also can't ignore that there's a significant amount that simply doesn't do a thing.
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_Cyphon_
Joined: 16 Nov 2014
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:57 pm
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That's a good thing I suppose. After all not everyone is like Sora and Shiro.
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whiskeyii
Joined: 29 May 2013
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:01 pm
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| Via_01 wrote: | | ... but we also can't ignore that there's a significant amount that simply doesn't do a thing. |
Do you have actual numbers to back that up, or is that just anecdotal?
I could believe that statement more if we were talking about NEETs in the US, since on the whole, we have a much stronger "do what you want" attitude. But for someplace like Japan that emphasizes harmony and conformity to such a degree? I feel like most would-be NEETS need a serious push to get to that level of non-conformity.
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vashthestampede1050
Joined: 18 Dec 2014
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:22 pm
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| Lemonchest wrote: | | I find the term NEET offensive. I prefer to be called a 21st Century Gentleman of Leisure. Please correct your article to reflect this. |
I like that, I request permission to call myself that.
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ScruffyKiwi
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:28 pm
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| Ialdaboth wrote: | | Okay, somebody explain to me the trick, please. Pure demographics artefact ? |
The trick? People either got jobs, went to school, or started some training.
Now the real issue is just how 'employed' people are. There is a massive issue of underemployment, ie people wanting to work full time but only managing to find part time work. If you are part time, even only a few hours a week then you are no longer unemployed!
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Actar
Joined: 21 Nov 2010
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Location: Singapore
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 3:50 pm
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| Via_01 wrote: | | "Welcome to the NHK" actually raised a point that I still believe is valid regarding why people turn into NEETs and/or hikikomoris, and the answer is simply "because they can". Because if you don't want to work, but have a caring family that keeps providing you with the necessary amount of money to live, then you can just spend your days doing nothing as an adult. |
To be fair, I think we're discounting the fact that social anxiety, trauma and other psychological stress factors play a part in it. It's not like the NEETs aren't conscious of the fact that they are looked down upon by society.
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Hameyadea
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:44 pm
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| ANN wrote: | | An Akihabara rental service would let individuals hang out with a NEET for 1,000 yen (9.75 USD) for one hour. |
Doesn't that count as employment, though?
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Foxaika
Joined: 28 Apr 2015
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:00 pm
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| Hameyadea wrote: |
| ANN wrote: | | An Akihabara rental service would let individuals hang out with a NEET for 1,000 yen (9.75 USD) for one hour. |
Doesn't that count as employment, though? |
You're actually hanging out with a NET. Just a bit different 
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Mr. Oshawott
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:01 pm
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| The ANN article wrote: | | An Akihabara rental service would let individuals hang out with a NEET for 1,000 yen (9.75 USD) for one hour. |
I think these "NEETs" are no longer under unemployment status if they're hired to perform a service of some sort.
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Via_01
Joined: 24 Aug 2014
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:14 pm
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| whiskeyii wrote: |
| Via_01 wrote: | | ... but we also can't ignore that there's a significant amount that simply doesn't do a thing. |
Do you have actual numbers to back that up, or is that just anecdotal?
I could believe that statement more if we were talking about NEETs in the US, since on the whole, we have a much stronger "do what you want" attitude. But for someplace like Japan that emphasizes harmony and conformity to such a degree? I feel like most would-be NEETS need a serious push to get to that level of non-conformity. |
Anecdotal. But again, I'm not saying that every single NEET is lazy... just that we shouldn't say that every NEET is striving for a goal that requires not being employed or some quasi-noble thing like that. Because there are people who don't want to work anywhere, and that'll push themselves into such a lifestyle if given the chance.
But yeah, no detailed information. Not about to go search for it either.
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