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Hannish Lightning



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:11 am Reply with quote
Who ever is a fan of this is beyond explanation. I just don't get how a 3D character with a terrible computer generated voice can have such a huge following.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:40 pm Reply with quote
Rolling Eyes you might as well question why people are fans of anything. Obviously, there's no amount of explaining that can make someone "understand" something if that person doesn't like it in the first place

Anyways, it's cool that they're carrying the ethos of fan-produced content over since that's what dominates the vocaloid market, but it seems pretty of insubstantial. Not sure how many would want to expose their faces like that either.

On the other hand what would be really cool, and more like the vocaloid community, is if they hold contests for user produced songs or remixes and have virtual miku or other vocaloid characters perform those songs!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:39 pm Reply with quote
The closer it gets to the event the worst my feelings are about it. I'm hoping positively, but my gut is betting the other horse.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:18 pm Reply with quote
configspace wrote:
Rolling Eyes you might as well question why people are fans of anything. Obviously, there's no amount of explaining that can make someone "understand" something if that person doesn't like it in the first place

Anyways, it's cool that they're carrying the ethos of fan-produced content over since that's what dominates the vocaloid market, but it seems pretty of insubstantial. Not sure how many would want to expose their faces like that either.

On the other hand what would be really cool, and more like the vocaloid community, is if they hold contests for user produced songs or remixes and have virtual miku or other vocaloid characters perform those songs!

I can understand anything as to why people are a fan of something. But, vocaloids are the only thing I can not grasp how anyone can like this.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:48 pm Reply with quote
Hannish Lightning wrote:

I can understand anything as to why people are a fan of something. But, vocaloids are the only thing I can not grasp how anyone can like this.
But why? What's so hard understanding people liking something that brings a bit of pleasure into their lives? Music is music whether it's from a live singer, or from a vocaloid. For me it's the technology involved. I find it facinating that basically digital algorithms can sound so human, and that this has opened the door for so many undiscovered talent to add to the eclectic mix of musical genre with so much brillant sounds, who otherwise would have never had the opportunity to be able to have a singer of such quality and range to help with their compositions. Look at it this way; a Vocaloid is a musical instrument that is played like any other musical instrument except the sound is a female, or male voice that speaks in Japanese, and some Engrish, either in song, or natural conversation, completely in control by the player, simple as that. You don't like Vocaloids, I can understand that, but I don't understand why you can't understand why I, or any fans of vocaloids, do.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:01 pm Reply with quote
Oh hey, looks like Mohawk52 and Hannish Lightning are here. It's gotta be a Vocaloid topic. Laughing

I'm too cowardly to post a ten second video, but kudos to those that get featured. I'll not see you, as I will not be at the concert. Or Anime Expo in general. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:22 pm Reply with quote
Mohawk52 wrote:
Hannish Lightning wrote:

I can understand anything as to why people are a fan of something. But, vocaloids are the only thing I can not grasp how anyone can like this.
But why? What's so hard understanding people liking something that brings a bit of pleasure into their lives? Music is music whether it's from a live singer, or from a vocaloid. For me it's the technology involved. I find it facinating that basically digital algorithms can sound so human, and that this has opened the door for so many undiscovered talent to add to the eclectic mix of musical genre with so much brillant sounds, who otherwise would have never had the opportunity to be able to have a singer of such quality and range to help with their compositions. Look at it this way; a Vocaloid is a musical instrument that is played like any other musical instrument except the sound is a female, or male voice that speaks in Japanese, and some Engrish, either in song, or natural conversation, completely in control by the player, simple as that. You don't like Vocaloids, I can understand that, but I don't understand why you can't understand why I, or any fans of vocaloids, do.


Except to me vocaloids doesn't sound human, it's robotic and unnatural. And that's the problem I have with them and don't get the huge following because vocaloids take away the most important aspect of music, the human element. Yeah I know a human composed the music, but that isn't what I am talking. Vocaloids are essentially synthesized voices and that's all. It would be like if instead of a hearing Robert Schumann's Traumerei being played by a person who've performed for years, it was instead played by a pair of mechanical arms that's been programmed to play the song. It isn't the same thing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:19 pm Reply with quote
Well the most important aspect of music is the music itself. Otherwise you can ask the same for any kind of electronic music, vocaloid or not (or the use of vocoders in other music) particularly for sounds that don't have an acoustic equivalent. In fact, to simplify, lets cut out the vocals and just focus on instrumental music. Whether some notes are played by a computer or synth via midi or a human player, it's the same notes regardless. In fact considering classical or orchestral music, the human players themselves are just like robots. That's they're role, they are to play exactly as told. No deviations, no personal embellishments.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:13 am Reply with quote
Music can't be expressed without the performer. And humans aren't robots thus they don't play it like robots. If you can't hear the difference between a human performer and a song played by a robot than I feel sorry for you.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:47 pm Reply with quote
Hannish Lightning wrote:
Music can't be expressed without the performer. And humans aren't robots thus they don't play it like robots. If you can't hear the difference between a human performer and a song played by a robot than I feel sorry for you.
Right, okay have a listen to this Fujita Saki singing duet with Hatsune Miku Saki is the girl who Crypton used for sampling Miku. This piece starts with the CV01 programme "Miku" singing "Crystal Quartz", then at 4.17 in both sing it together. Your mission, should you wish to accept it, is to hear if you can tell who sings what when during that time. You up for it? Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:49 pm Reply with quote
That was turrible. Like I said before vocaloids voices are very robotic to me I could even hear it when the duet it started. The original is a lot smoother.
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Hannish Lightning wrote:
That was turrible. Like I said before vocaloids voices are very robotic to me I could even hear it when the duet it started. The original is a lot smoother.
Well all I can say is your ears must be hearing something mine don't, because I can bearly tell the difference. They're virtually the same to me and that's why I love it. Sure it's fake, but sounds so real to me. Crypton has enhanced the programmes with what they call "appends" basically tweaking the output tones to sound soft, dark, solid, vivid, sweet, and light.
they can be mixed in any combination, or used individually for different results.
soft
sweet
solid
Vivid
dark
light, not many composers use this one as it sounds too close to the original.
all together
I'll just add that if it wasn't for vocaloids none of us, including you, would ever have heard any of these songs. Whether that's a good thing, or bad I'll leave to your own discretion. Wink
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