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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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I would request every mod please read this thread and post their opinions on the matter. As the "rule enforcers" here at ANN you guys have the final say on what goes or doesn't go. I want your guys, and girls if any of you are female, opinions on what is or isn't proper. I don't want a regurgitation of the rules though. I want your personal thoughts and ideas. I think they would be informative and helpful to many people here. This is a post by a Mod on another forum. This is the title of an actual panel that will be at Nekocon. I thought it was such a great idea I'd make a thread here. I think it's self explanitory but I'll provide more details anyway. I see constantly immature behavior on this site. People can't seem to disagree in a civil manner. Nothing will change a good portion of that and I'm not dumb enough to think it will. However, I think we could all use a nice refreasher on what it means to be civil, polite, and post in a knowledgable and informative manner. Why does everyone seem to revert to elementary school name calling when others don't agree with them, Why do people take such offense to trivial topics.? Why can't people think first then type on a topic they might know nothing about? These are some of the questions I think should be discussed here. Before anyone even starts flamming on me yes I have been an ass myself. I however, after talking with a certain Mod, have tried to curb that and be more understanding of others. This particular mod had some very valid points and I thank him for talking to me. I think others should try to as well. I wanna know some people act they way they do. I'm serious, I wanna know why some of you guys/girls here get so worked up. I wanna better understand the issues and people here. I don't wanna give names and offend anyone about anything they may have said or done so can we try to keep this annynomous please. No trolling or flamming also please. |
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The Frankman
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For the life of me I'll never understand it myself why some people go bonkers over some of things some people go nuts about. And it's not only some of the posters it's the mods. I won't go too much into detail but a cursory glance for about a day should be evidence enough. People, it's Japanese anime. I mean, we insulting people over Japanese anime! Not real-world stuff, but Japanese anime. Not politics, not politics, not the things that shape us in life, but Japanese anime...
 
Okay, seriously here I guess some things can't be discussed in a rational manner here. When that happens I bail out. Reminds me of when I tried to make a comparision between two shows and someone threatened to slap me for it. 
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Animefreak6969
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well you know, anime is more important than mostly anything else to some people, like ME!!!
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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After reading my own post I wanna make one thing clear that I don't think I did. This is by no means some I'm better then people thread or an attempt to start some arguments. If people take it that way then lighten up. This is a thread for people to discusss why maybe they react they way they do on certain topics. Also, it's a place for the mods to lay down what might be annoying them that we're doing. It's an attempt to maybe help posters/mods get along better and act more mature here. So if anyone takes offense, well.... PM a mod and don't waste your time complaining here. I PMed every mod so hopefully some will participate in this little activity.
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blind_assassin
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I think that this site is just the type that has problems with forum manners because it attracts a very large group of people from a very wide range of demographics. Typically on forums about things such as Snowboarding, Martial Arts, Music, Hentai, or whatever, you end up with people of a certain range of age and a certain like-mindedness.
Not to unfairly place blame but anime attracts lots of younger people to it which breeds very pointless arguments. An 8 year-old is probably more likely to post things like "Man, FMA is sooooooo sugoi! I wish I were Ed so I could use alchemy! What do you think?". The common response to these topics (aside from getting locked) are hostile and angry retorts from more senior members that often forget that people on the internet aren't all the same age and maturity level. People that act like children are sometimes in fact, children. Like I said, I'm not blaming kids since there are plenty of peple that don't think through what they're saying but age gaps between people that span upwards of 10 years tend to result in very uncouth results. Personally, I think the mods on this site are more uptight than I see on most sites (but they're considerably less corrupt than on sites like GameFAQs) but the population itself isn't stable enough to be controled much more than it is already being so without inadvertantly harming the people who are simply sort of edgy but are mostly upstanding members. Some people post controversial statements or views (I don't think I've posted anything terribly uproarious but I have my share of offensive views on things) and people choose to take them either very personally or entirely out of context. Some things posted are genuinely offensive or stupid but there is a lot of latitude to cover between what is and is not unnacceptable and thats where are the arguments start. |
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KyuuA4
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Well, it shouldn't be THAT important, if y'know what I mean. 
And due to policy, such statements are discouraged and silenced around here. However, the reasoning behind that involves endless arguments. 
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The Frankman
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But the funny thing is more arguments start with the people who are well-versed in posting etiquette than the younger crowd. People who post stuff like what you said just get their threads locked, end of story. There used to be a thread about some of the best arguments/flame war on this board but I can't find it. The Sub-Dub thread of 2004 was epic, lasted like 6-7 months! |
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fighterholic
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I am usually good about keeping my cool here on this site, but if there is a statement that I make that is totally rocked to the core and makes me look like an infidel, then I can tend to lose it. I really think that the sub-dub issue is really old, will not touch it, and am glad when something like it gets locked. Same applies for lolicon material. It's going to get the same reactions from people, nothing will change, people will bring up legal issues with links and all. The flaming doesn't stop.
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Tony K.
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Some people around here act like that because that's just who they are. One user might be a 13 year-old who's starting to get a feel of adolescence, another might be a 23 year-old working college student that's progressed well beyond the angst and emo that comes with being a teen, and another might be a 39 year-old historian that's progressed even more beyond all of that with some prolific understanding of life and other things we have yet to experience. It's impossible to know these people personally since, in all likelihood, none of us will ever meet face to face and for such an extended period of time that we learn the quirks and mannerisms that make us who we are. You can try to take a gamble and just observe other people and figure something out eventually. But putting forth the time, effort, and patience is all up to you. When I started posting here, I was at the end of that adolescent stage where I wanted to hate the world and everybody on it and have people sympathize for me because of whatever reason. But after interacting with lots of users, taking some time to think, and experiencing my own share of becoming an adult, I just sort of realized things on my own and developed into who I am now. The way I see it, since you're on the Internet there's no reason to expect any kind of compliance or trust from complete strangers. It's true that we have common interests, otherwise we wouldn't be here, but our interests don't always shape our personalities and vice versa. No one is obligated to do things the way we want. In the end, learning this "forum etiquette" is all up to the people posting. If they feel it's that important in presenting themselves to be smart, well-opinionated, and/or just some kind of attention-whore then it's up to them to do whatever they feel like. But yeah, since this site does have rules and I happen to be the one enforcing them (for the most part), all that really matters is that people are doing what they came here to do; talk about anime. I don't really have any preference in terms of the content discussed. I'm just here to make sure a majority of that dicussion stays within the parameters of the Teh Rules and that no one is causing a needless/pointless/endless ruckus. |
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Animefreak6969
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Psycho101 i just wanted you to know that i am just a sarcastic person and dont really take anything i type really seriously, unless im talking about an anime, and KyuuA4, Please elaborate just for the sake of things.
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KyuuA4
Posts: 1361 Location: America, where anime and manga can be made |
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Word economy; and conciseness.
It's a general Internet rule that people do not read online. Instead, people skim. It's one of the points made by a web design teacher from years back.
I fully understand how arguments can fall into a loop - and run virtually endless. The Sub-Dub topic is a perfect example. It's a decade (or more) long "debate" deemed worthless by the advent of DVD. Thank goodness too. Nevertheless, after engaging a few of you over the "Anime Outside Japan" topic, I managed to get a few ideas along the way. Furthermore, I managed to get a guage behind the position of the "majority". In a sense, I'm rather satisfied. Needless to say, I've seen several threads fall into the "Anime Outside Japan" topic (thanks to yours truly ) only to watch them locked; yet I took the opportunity to archive them for my own. They've fallen under a disarray similar to a "Sub vs Dub" topic. When it comes to any Internet Argument - everyone has their ground; and they will hold on to it.
By the way, the Boondocks is an anime. As I watch it, it feels like one.
If you want another example of an endless Internet argument - try an Abortion Debate (somewhere else) -- or any Religious topic involving either Christianity or Islam. See where that goes.
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blind_assassin
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I think the process of listing topics that end up in mindless looping debate is as mindless and looping as the debates themselves.
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selenta
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Although I would like to believe the latter applies to me, the former certainly does. I've participated in a number of arguments, perhaps half or a third of my posts were of a generally argumentative nature. It's easy and obvious to explain that young posters tend to be easily riled, and that anyone may flip for any given reason; this is obvious, it is the internet after all. You ask what we think of etiquette? Personally, I just ask that people think before they post, and be prepared to back themselves up on any comment they make. If they're gonna claim Mushishi is a terrible show, that's fine, but they better have some reasons besides "I didn't liek it". This is kind of why I support the site's stance on lists, simply hating on/supporting something or making a list doesn't take any effort; I can say "The Earth is flat, believe it!" that doesn't inherently make it true. (I'm not trying to imply there is a right or wrong answer to every question, or even most of them, I'm just saying think before you act; there's a reason this is a forum and not a live chat) |
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daxomni
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This may be a large forum to some folks, but it’s actually pretty small in the grand scheme of things. Until this board gets a few thousand posts every single day and has an average of a few hundred users logged in at any given moment I won’t consider it “very large”. In any case, I think Tony has really shown himself to be an honest and even-handed moderator and he has my sincere respect as a result. It's not all milk & honey though. There's another moderator here that has a real arrogant attitude that I’ve long since given up on trying to understand. As always, YMMV. |
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blind_assassin
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In the scheme of things doesn't diminish its actual size. A baseball stadium is small in scheme of things but if everyone in a packed stadium were to die then it would probably be one of the highest death tolling disasters ever to happen.
Since I'm not gonna waste my time sifting through screen after screen of the Userlist, lets just say that 50,000 of the registered members on this site have less than 10 posts or are no longer active. If that were true, it would leave the site with over 80,000 people on it. In total there is a total of over 1/10 of a million people that have at least registered to the site. I'd say that it makes this a rather large community in terms of raw population of at least minimally active members. In comparison to many other sites out there this site is massive. There may be bigger ones out there but just because something else is bigger doesn't mean that everything else is somehow diminished in its size (unless the bigger thing is feeding of the smaller ones )
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