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penguintruth
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I've heard Ragyo's sexual manhandling of her daughter interpreted as essentially in preparation to give her off to the original Life Fiber, essentially to marry her off to it.
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unitmikey
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A very good episode that incidentally happened to be posted right as I was doing my Kill la Kill fan art (at one in the morning of course). Thank god I’m the not the only who thought this screamed Sukeban Deka from episode one.
I agree that this is an amazing show. It’s something that I think could have only been done in anime as opposed to any other form of storytelling, and that’s what makes it so fun and unique. Even better is that it (along with AOT which was also pointed out) has made anime something to get excited about again. However, I guess I will be the odd person out because I like Gurren Lagann better, for the reason Zac mentioned, that KLK does not have much depth. I felt that as a whole show, GL had a lot of depth. Hope mentioned that it was about what makes us human, but I also think that is was not just about protecting the world but the more importantly the people that love and are closest to you. I think it also went further with the idea that the main character was pushing forward not just for himself but in the name of someone who was so specifically important and influential to him (although Ryuko brings elements of this to KLK herself). Not only was the world of GL more expansive, I feel like it also got more of a gut reaction out of me, ending at the point where the main character had a life well lived. Also, in regards to symbolism in anime, if a creator says they chose a visual motif because it “looked cool” I would ask why it is specifically “cool” to them. It obviously got some sort of reaction out of them if it was memorable enough to use in their own creations. I’m no professional fiction writer, but when I create my own stories as a hobby, I do have a deeper meaning set out from the get go. However, I constantly reread my work and find that there was a lot I was saying without realizing it because there comes a point where the characters move on their own. But that could be a creative process that’s exclusive to only me who the hell knows. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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It's not a hard logical jump to make: juvenile delinquents! Ryuuko's character introduction immediately made me think of callbacks to the long-skirt wearing toughgirl image of the 80s and I guess the 70s for manga. |
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yuna49
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There are more similarities than the subject matter. The first ED replays scenes from the closing titles for Sukeban Deko; both girls are the inevitably disruptive transfer students on a mission; and, Saki's uniform, especially after she adopts the red sash in episode one, looks very much like Senketsu. |
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law240
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I like how this podcast came out on a Thursday .... same day the Kill la Kill episodes air nice!
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walw6pK4Alo
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The question about the studio series debut, and the whole idea of thinking of Trigger as some start up of newbies, always irks me. These guys were almost all veterans who left Gainax, if they couldn't make a good series it would have just been goddamn pathetic. It's nothing like Gainax making Honneamise for their first real work, that was some marvelous feat no one could have foreseen.
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Megabyte117
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I'm finishing up Gurren Lagann now, after having loved Kill la Kill, but I have to say, nothing was more frustrating than the constant comparisons between the two shows as KLK was airing. At times, it seemed as if any KLK discussion was generally dominated by saying how much better Gurren Lagann was (incidentally, I entirely disagree, the first half is dreadful).
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Angel M Cazares
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Great podcast. I think the discussion was very insightful. I especially enjoyed the takes on the Ragyo-Satsuki molestation.
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fathomlessblue
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Yet to listen to the podcast but I approve of any excuse to get Dave Riley back on the show. His views are always insightful, while his voice evokes memories of honey and fireside lust.
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ChibiKangaroo
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I'm not sure why people are afraid to just say that Kill la Kill is a dumb show that is mindless fun. This is just not an intellectual show. The writing/story was rarely consistent. Very few of the characters received extensive development. The plot pretty much went completely off the rails in the last several episodes. There were numerous deus ex machina toward the end. The Ragyo character was about as cartoonishly over-the-top / heavy handed as Oberon from SAO season 2.
I often see people trying to claim that there was some deep intellectual meaning to this show or that the insanity, by itself, was just genius. The show, it is claimed, is awesome because it does stuff badly but NO ONE ELSE IS DOING THAT,WOW. Or, "It's not supposed to make sense, and it does that awesomely! Isn't that deep???" No, not really... I can agree with Zac's point about how the show was fun and we can just take it as a fun show, like a roller coaster. It's mindless fun. It's the same reaction I get from watching any of those movies that is all about explosions and destruction and vehicles smashing together. I had a good time with Kill la Kill, but I don't see why I would ever want to watch it again. |
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Doodleboy
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There was an animator who worked as an intern at Pixar and she asked one of the higher ups why they were making sequels instead of more original IP, since there was so much talent within the company.
They answered that the sequels were what funded the new original movies getting made. So the "Inside Out"s and "Good Dinosaur"s are supported by the Monster University money. The "Pulp Magazine" and Naoki Urasawa Manga are funded by Naruto money, and who knows how many good risky novels are funded through Twilight sales. |
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EyeOfPain
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I guess you never ride roller coasters more than once either, do you? |
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ChibiKangaroo
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It's probably not the best analogy, since I rarely have gone to the amusement park, so yea I would say that I rarely ever ride a roller coaster more than one time. I might have gone to the local amusement park like 4 or 5 times in my entire life, and the lines for each ride are like 2 hours long, so it is not an effective analogy compared to something as casual as watching anime from the comfort of your home. I think the main point is watching a show like Kill la Kill is not going to do anything for me beyond the brief fun of seeing things explode and smash together. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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I'd say that point is more like "there's not much to be gained from rewatching it: once was more than enough."
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Redcrimson
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Great episode. I didn't agree with pretty much anything anyone said about Kill la Kill, but it was interesting to hear people's perspective on it.
I can respect Kill la Kill as an anime-original auteur project, but I don't think that excuses the myriad of structural and thematic missteps in the story. And I certainly don't think it covers for the sexual assault imagery. Ryuko's arc is redundant, Satsuki's arc is superfluous, Nudist Beach is a non-entity outside of a few running gags, the show is a mess thematically(Lets all ogle our empowered heroines! Clothes don't equal representation, except when they do!), and the School Raid Trip arc is dull and pointless. Do I think it was fun? It sure was! Do I think it was well-constructed? Not even close! |
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