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caseclosedfan414



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:12 pm Reply with quote
I've recently seen a few episodes of Shin Chan on Adult Swim, including the one I just finished watching, and I can't believe Shin Chan is rated Older Children on ANN. Is the Japanese version more kiddie than the English dub or something?

But, this isn't the first case of seemingly lax anime ratings. Has anyone else ever found anime ratings to be a little lax? Personally, I think some are. I've seen a few shows rated "Teenagers" on ANN and I thought that they were kind of pushing toward a "Mature" rating, between cursing (a lot), nudity (sometimes more than the alleged "brief nudity"), and dirty jokes (a lot). And no, I'm not just talking about ANN--I'm not trying to bash them or anything (I love this site)--I mean, all anime ratings, in general, even some of the ones on the Anime DVDs, themselves (some are accurate, but some aren't, just like with ANN's ratings). Does anyone else feel this way?

Perhaps, maybe ANN could use extra "rating levels". Instead of just having "All Ages", "Older Children", Teenagers", "Mature", and "Adults Only", maybe they should add more to fill in the gaps between those ratings. Or, rather than creating new names, they should add numbers (ages) to the old ones (excluding "All Ages" and "Adults Only" because those are self explanatory). Example:

-All Ages
-Older Children 9+
-Older Children 11+
-Teenagers 13+
-Teenagers 15+
-Mature 17+
-Mature 19+
-Adults Only (Obviously 21+)

Personally, I think that'd be a good idea. It'd help fill in the gaps between "rating levels", make the ratings more specific, and give us a better understanding of what to expect when we watch the show. And maybe, if they wanted to help even more, they could have a "rating summary" for each show, individually, or, at least, a "rating summary" for each sub-division of each "rating level", rather than one for each "rating level". What do you guys think?
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Bl00dHoUnD



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:17 pm Reply with quote
I believe the Japanese version is much more kiddie than the English dub, which I think is a completely new dub by FUNimation.

This reminds me of the Evangelion Box Set, which says Teenagers 13+ on it Shocked .
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:20 pm Reply with quote
caseclosedfan414 wrote:
Has anyone else ever found anime ratings to be a little lax?


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caseclosedfan414



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:24 pm Reply with quote
Bl00dHoUnD wrote:
I believe the Japanese version is much more kiddie than the English dub, which I think is a completely new dub by FUNimation.


Ah, that makes more sense. No wonder ANN rated it Older Children. I find it weird that FUNimation would totally change a kids show into something totally different. Not to mention, something aimed at an older audience. That totally changes the whole show and what it was meant to be. I wonder if they've done that with anything else. Does anyone know of anything else they've done that to? I can't complain about that, though. I like Shin Chan. It's weird as hell and the animation is scary-looking (LOL! Razz ), but it's pretty funny, or at least, I think so. Thanks, Bl00dHoUnD. Very Happy

Bl00dHoUnD wrote:
This reminds me of the Evangelion Box Set, which says Teenagers 13+ on it Shocked .


Aha! So, I'm not the only one who feels this way. Cool
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Spotlesseden



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:24 pm Reply with quote
Adults Only should be 18+.

if your over 18 those rating doesn't matter anymore.
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Riyousha



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:32 pm Reply with quote
caseclosedfan414 wrote:
-All Ages
-Older Children 9+
-Older Children 11+
-Teenagers 13+
-Teenagers 15+
-Mature 17+
-Mature 19+
-Adults Only (Obviously 21+)


But aren't age ratings suppose to be for objectional content rather than intended age? So having numbers next to them is not gonna happen. Ever.

BTW, shouldn't this thread be locked since it's not relating to general anime?


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caseclosedfan414



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:33 pm Reply with quote
dormcat wrote:


Oh. Thanks, dormat. That's a good thread. I've never seen it before. Very Happy

Spotlesseden wrote:
Adults Only should be 18+.

if your over 18 those rating doesn't matter anymore.


Wait, are you suggesting that Adults Only should be 18+? Or that it is? If I'm not mistaken, Adults Only is 21+ (in case you thought is is 18+). And, for the record, no, I'm not over 18, myself. Wink

Riyousha wrote:
But aren't age ratings suppose to be for objectional content rather than intended age? So having numbers next to them is not gonna happen. Ever.


Ok, so then, don't use the numbers (even though I'd prefer them Rolling Eyes), but then, at least, write specific "rating summaries" for each individual anime.

Riyousha wrote:
BTW, I think this thread is more suited for the Encyclopedia forums.


Ok, then, if that's true, someone, please move it over there for me. Otherwise, let is stay here.

Riyousha wrote:
BTW, shouldn't this thread be locked since it's not relating to general anime?


It is related to anime, since I'm talking about anime ratings, rather than manga and music ratings. But, if the moderators feel it doesn't belong here, but, better yet, that is belongs somewhere else, then let them move it. That's fine with me. Otherwise, as I said before, let it stay here. Besides, I'm not really breaking any rules, so I don't see why it'd be locked.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:46 pm Reply with quote
I would be surprised if the Japanese version of the Crayon Shin-Chan anime was more kiddie than the American dub given the manga was known for being pretty satirical and far more vulgar than other "slice of family life" manga.
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caseclosedfan414



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:52 pm Reply with quote
Kilgamayan wrote:
I would be surprised if the Japanese version of the Crayon Shin-Chan anime was more kiddie than the American dub given the manga was known for being pretty satirical and far more vulgar than other "slice of family life" manga.


Oh, really!? Hm, that's interesting. Then maybe, I was right in the first place. Cool

If what you're saying is true, then Shin Chan really doesn't deserve the rating of "Older Children" that it currently has. Perhaps, it should be rated "Teenagers". Hm...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:28 am Reply with quote
caseclosedfan414 wrote:
Wait, are you suggesting that Adults Only should be 18+? Or that it is? If I'm not mistaken, Adults Only is 21+ (in case you thought is is 18+). And, for the record, no, I'm not over 18, myself. Wink

Okay, so you are a good kid and have never ever visited the warning page of any adult website, right? Twisted Evil In United States, Japan, and most countries of the world, the age of "adults only" is 18. Period.

Kilgamayan wrote:
I would be surprised if the Japanese version of the Crayon Shin-Chan anime was more kiddie than the American dub given the manga was known for being pretty satirical and far more vulgar than other "slice of family life" manga.

"Elephant" jokes are more tolerable in Japan. Ghibli's Pom Poko has many jokes of "balls" and is still considered as a family movie.
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Kilgamayan



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:34 am Reply with quote
dormcat wrote:
Kilgamayan wrote:
I would be surprised if the Japanese version of the Crayon Shin-Chan anime was more kiddie than the American dub given the manga was known for being pretty satirical and far more vulgar than other "slice of family life" manga.

"Elephant" jokes are more tolerable in Japan. Ghibli's Pom Poko has many jokes of "balls" and is still considered as a family movie.


I would still give that kind of thing a "Mature Audience" rating by American standards. I mean, the kid finds a camcorder giving live feed to a TV and uses it to show his anus to the entire store. There's no way that would fly as a "family read" in America.

Perhaps Japanese standards label the franchise as more "kiddie" than American standards, but I'd say the vulgarity on both sides is about equal.
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fighterholic



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 12:44 am Reply with quote
[Adults Only!] would mean 18+, that's what you'll find on any hentai box. What they say where there's an age difference is they say that all of the characters involved in acts of sex, rape, etc. are aged 19 or above.
To Crayon Shin-Chan, the Japanese version is uncut and pretty bad like South Park, but the Japanese have always been used to it, which is why it's not as offensive to them. Hell, they've got TV shows where men's genitals will be visible to the audience. And kids in Japan can watch even those programs.

Anyone remember Shimura Ken?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 2:41 am Reply with quote
dormcat wrote:
In United States, Japan, and most countries of the world, the age of "adults only" is 18. Period.


"Period?" You're not an adult in the view of the law until you reach the Age of Majority, which is actually attained at the age of 20 years in Japan and is determined at the state level in the US, with multiple states setting theirs above the age of 18. This includes Alabama (19), Mississippi (21), Nebraska (19), Wyoming (19), and the District of Columbia (21). So much for "Period."
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 5:50 am Reply with quote
dormcat wrote:
"Elephant" jokes are more tolerable in Japan. Ghibli's Pom Poko has many jokes of "balls" and is still considered as a family movie.

As dormcat correctly points out, these things are very culture-dependant. Given that ANN serves the worldwide English-speaking anime community, there's never going to be a rating system that suits everyone. The existing system seems fine to me, trying to make it even more specific will probably only cause more people to think the ratings are wrong. As it happens, I tend to find the ratings too 'strict' rather than too lax, but then, I'm just an old liberal Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:15 am Reply with quote
Bl00dHoUnD wrote:

This reminds me of the Evangelion Box Set, which says Teenagers 13+ on it Shocked .


my NGE stuff (platinum and movie boxsets) both had 17+ sitckers O.o;;
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