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Iritscen
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Can someone explain the difference between genjutsu and ninjutsu? I must have missed an explanation somewhere in an earlier episode (on CN), and I'm starting to feel stupid not knowing the difference.
P.S.: This is OT, but I was playing SamuSupi for the Neo Geo for the first time recently (now I can understand Watsuki's constant ramblings about it in the Kenshin manga), and I was fighting Galford when all of a sudden he turned into a log and the real Galford dropped from above. I shouted in surprise, "Substitution-jutsu"! I'd never seen that before Naruto, hence my surprise. Now I shout it for fun every time he does it. |
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Dargonxtc
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Although I don't know for sure, I am pretty sure there are spoilers, so read on the defensive.
[URL removed because the site also has downloads -TK] edit: sorry Last edited by Dargonxtc on Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:33 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Luminal
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I also have a question about Naruto. Did they mess up or I misunderstood something?
WARNING!! BIG SPOILERS COMING UP!! These are the facts I gathered: 1) Orochimaru mentions to Kabuto at some point that he originally wanted Uchiha Itachi's body to transplant his soul but he says he grew up and became too powerful so now he has to settle for Uchiha Sasuke's body. This not necessarily means that Itachi is more powerful than Orochimaru, it just means that he is powerful enough to make it too hard for Orochimaru to capture his body. 2) Jiraya fights with Itachi and another member of the Akatsuki and makes them run for their lives when they tried to kidnap Naruto. Itachi then mentions to the other Akatsuki member that Jiraya is too powerful, and that even if there had been more ninjas trying to kidnap Naruto, the outcome would have been the same. Itachi obviously admits Jiraya is much more powerful than him 3) An intoxicated Jiraya and Tsuname fight with a crippled Orochimaru aided by Kabuto and defeat them. Even though the fight was uneven, it seemed at least to me that Jiraya and Orochimaru have roughly about the same amount of power. 4) In the manga, when Sasuke meets Naruto again after 2 years he tells him that neither him nor Orochimaro can kill Itachi, but if they put Orochimaru's soul inside Sasuke's body they might have a chance. Orochimaru admits Itachi is more powerful than him. So putting all these facts together, the conclusion doesn't make sense: Jiraya is much more powerful than Itachi, Itachi is more powerful than Orochimaru, but Orochimaru and Jiraya are about the same? Which fact is wrong? Luminal |
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SharinganEyes92
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Ok, Genjutsu are illusionaary techniques that you could probably dispel. A prime example would be (WARNING: SPOILER FOR THOSE FOLLOWING DUB ON CARTOON NETWORK) spoiler[the Genjutsu, which made everybody fall asleep, used by the invading Sand and Sound Village ninja when they attempt to take the Hokage and destroy Konoha during the Third Part of the Chuunin Exam. The Genjutsu used was easily dispelled by Kakashi, Gai, and other Jounin and Chuunin around the area.]
Ninjutsu is a technique used by a ninja/shinobi which can cause actual damage to the opponent, or gives the user an advantage. Examples would be (forgive me, I only know their Japanese names) Sasuke's "Katon: Gokakyou no Jutsu" (the fireball one), Naruto's "Kage Bunshin no Jutsu" aka "Shadow Clone Jutsu", and Shikamaru's "Kagemane no Jutsu" (the one where he freezes people with his shadow). Hope that answers your question! 
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Demigod111
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Ok this it to that question bout Jiraya and Orochimaru
spoiler[Thing is Itachi has gotten stronger over the last 2 years he's been preparing himself to go back and take Naruto but he wasn't really beat by Jiyara to begin with it was just that attack Jiyara used was too strong but he could have takin him it he faught him head on] |
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Luminal
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I have to disagree with you. If there's one fact I'm 100% sure is correct is that Jiraya is more powerful than Itachi. When they go spoiler[ kidnap Naruto, it was 2 members of Akatsuki against 1. Their mission failed because Jiraya was more powerful than both of them TOGETHER. If Itachi was more powerful than Jiraya then he would have just beaten him (after escaping from the giant toad's stomach) and completed the mission, especially since there was another member of the Akatsuki to back him up. ] Luminal |
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mjgeo
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I'm pretty sure it was that spoiler[Itachi said it didn't matter how many people they had, they would have died either way. Although that doesn't mean Jiraya would have won the fight. Jiraya might have had to sacrifice himself too. As a clearer example, I wouldn't have said the third was stronger than Orochi even if his final technique worked and they both died.] |
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Gubernaculum
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Hmmm, maybe I'm way off here but I always thought Itachi was referring to getting killed by the Kyuubi if they tried to capture Naruto, not Jiraiya.
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joel_s95387
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It's a shounen anime, it doesn't have to make sense. If Jiraiya didn't spoiler[fight off Itachi] when he did, they would've captured Naruto and story would have been over. If Orochimaru had spoiler[died because Jiraiya was really strong and killed him there on the spot during the uneven match, Sasuke would have no one to go to in order to obtain more power].
Welcome to the world of shounen and specially Naruto, where Ninjas have surveilance tapes. |
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Solidair
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I don't think we know who is more powerful because they didn't really have a duel. I think Itachi just wanted to kidnap Naruto and Jiryu wanted to stop them.
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goins007
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Actually Jiraya (I thought anyway) was heavily drugged by Tsunade, and the drugs hadn't gone out of his system yet. Even with Orochimarus hands crippled as they werespoiler[ we saw him fight the Third, and it seemed like he even had some trouble with that (to me anyway).] I think that Sasuke's brother got so strong because he committed that ultimate act byspoiler[ killing his best friend which Orochimaru didn't know about or felt that he didn't have a friend worth to kill. And Sasuke couldn't bring himself to kill Naruto when he had the chance.] I think out of all of them Jiraya is the strongest, when he told Tsuname he'd kill her himself if she spoiler[betrayed Kohana] she looked pretty damn worried, and he didn't seem to show any notion that he might have any problems doing it. |
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Luminal
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Jiraya had been spoiler[drugged], but Orochimaru had completely lost spoiler[ the use of his arms, meaning he could not do ANY ninja techniques at all. And even so, he fought against 2 senins ]. There is also another scene that shows what their powers are like. When spoiler[ Naruto recovers from his fight against Sasuke, Jiraya comes to the hospital to talk to Naruto about his relationship with Sasuke because it reminded him of his own relationship with Orochimaru. Then they show a flashback of the 2 senins when they were young, confronting each other. If I remember correctly, Orochimaru taunts Jiraya by saying Jiraya's skills are inferior to his. The fact that Jiraya doesn't challenge that stament means that he agreed. ] And there is one more: [spoiler]In a flashback Jiraya has about the times when they were all kids and were training with their teacher Sarutobi, he remembers the exercise that consisted in 2 of the students taking 2 bells from the belt of their teacher and tying the third one to a post. Both Orochimaru and Tsunade got their bells and tied Jiraya to the post, meaning they were more skillfull back then. [spoiler] Therefore, I really don't think Jiraya is much more powerful than Orochimaru. If anything, Orochimaru is probably stronger. Luminal |
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SharinganEyes92
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Could it be that spoiler[when Orochimaru had FIRST thought about stealing Uchiha Itachi's body, that Itachi was stronger than him THEN]?
I mean, because then it would explain that spoiler[NOW Jiraiya is stronger, but Orochimaru has gotten stronger as well. I mean, he freaking left Konoha village to go and practice forbidden Ninjutsu. That would set up the NOW food chain of Orochimaru over Jiraiya over Itachi.] Does that make sense to any of you? Because it makes a whole lot more sense than any other explanation provided (no offense). |
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Luminal
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That doesn't make sense at all since we know that at the present time (2 years after NArutospoiler[ goes train with Jiraya]) Sasuke says that neither him nor Orochimaru have a chance of defeating spoiler[ Itachi ] but together they can. I think the explanation that makes the most sense is the simplest one: The scriptwriters screwed up! Luminal |
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