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Crashing Japan - On the Road for Golden Week


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jsevakis
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 10:12 pm Reply with quote
An absolutely brilliant travelogue! My only complaint is that it's too short!

This is one of the best specials ANN has ever had -- it provides a real, intelligent insight into the culture we all love, but few of us know in person. Beautifully written, and something that, with more chapters, could easily be made into a book. More please!
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Hunter Sopko



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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 11:04 pm Reply with quote
Oh please, Justin. Everything we need to know about Japan has already been explained to us through anime, or at the very least, Shogun.
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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2006 11:38 pm Reply with quote
*Sighs*
Golden Week. When I was in high school, I had to go to wrestling camps every year for Golden Week.
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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 12:30 am Reply with quote
This is a very well done piece. Many people think that Japan is this perfect place of cutesy characters and futuristic electronics, but in reality it has its fair share of problems. I'm glad these were brought up and discussed.

As for Golden Week, our classes were let out early, so my friend and I were able to leave earlier than most of Japan. We travelled by shinkansen to Lake Toya in Hokkaido. It wasn't crowded at all, so we were able to enjoy the peace and tranquility of the area. Well... that is until this old Japanese man tried to proposition us for sex... *shudders*
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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 12:33 am Reply with quote
Is this the same Jonathan Tarbox who got screwed over by CMX?
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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 9:35 am Reply with quote
This golden week experience reads very familiar somehow.
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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 11:35 am Reply with quote
On the Road for Golden Week wrote wrote:
The things I dislike about this country can be summed up in the word “salaryman,” the epitome of modern Japan. These poor buggers have sold themselves to be a small part of a large thing. This would not be so bad in itself, except that the big thing is a nasty, polluting, destructive corporate structure which treats these men no better than robots. So they slave their lives away, swallowing their pride and their frustration. As the stress, the lack of exercise, the lost sleep, the tobacco, the alcohol and the cup-noodles take their toll, these men watch themselves grow older and uglier every day. This syndrome applies not only to company workers but to many businessmen and teachers as well.


Here is some interesting takes. The writer has bad english, but is japanese so give him a break. You can still understand what he is saying though. sites:
Here and
Here
And unrelated but interesting(actually looks like good artist on moving train)
Here
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PostPosted: Fri May 05, 2006 7:20 pm Reply with quote
The concept of the "salaryman"is very interesting. Oddly enough, sometimes I wonder about the materialism of people. Most of the time I just can't understand why they're so consumed with their McMansions and McMobiles. In my opinion, there are other things to be concerned about. Well hey, they can just go pay their way into Harvard. But that's just me going off on another tangent.

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and tell their boss everything they ever hated about him. When returning to the work environment the next day, all behavior at these events is ignored at though it never happened.
Now that's something. I wonder if the bosses really do forget about it.
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 12:41 am Reply with quote
.Sy wrote:
The concept of the "salaryman"is very interesting. Oddly enough, sometimes I wonder about the materialism of people. Most of the time I just can't understand why they're so consumed with their McMansions and McMobiles. In my opinion, there are other things to be concerned about. Well hey, they can just go pay their way into Harvard. But that's just me going off on another tangent.


What .Sy is saying is exactly the false impression that I thought Tarbox was giving off. Readers, keep in mind that this is the personal opinion of Tarbox and is not the absolute solid truth of all Japanese "salarymen". We do not come from Japan so we do not fully understand the work ethic there (no matter how long one has lived there, one is still not a native), and thus do not have the right to criticize another's system (by essentially saying they are "slave-drivers").

Remember... what seems to us as unusual might be quite normal to others. In this case, what seems to us as "slave-driving" might be "normal" to native Japanese.

Furthermore, take into account the element of exaggeration and the use of extreme cases. I'm not saying that Tarbox is exaggerating but I'm guessing that if the stories are true, they are extreme cases. If they weren't that extreme, there wouldn't be a story. Aright, enough ranting...
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Patachu
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 1:19 am Reply with quote
GATSU wrote:
Is this the same Jonathan Tarbox who got screwed over by CMX?


That was Jake Tarbox.
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 11:50 am Reply with quote
Patachu wrote:
GATSU wrote:
Is this the same Jonathan Tarbox who got screwed over by CMX?


That was Jake Tarbox.


Same person.
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GATSU



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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 1:30 pm Reply with quote
Sakechan: Thanks. I feel sorry for the guy, but it's good to know he's still employed.

prettygirl: Interestingly enough, when my professor asked who works the hardest and longest, I thought he was going to answer with, "The Japanese", but he responded, "Americans". His reasoning was that while we get about a few weeks of vacation, Europeans get as many as 4 months of it.
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 8:20 pm Reply with quote
pawnsacrifice wrote:
...Many people think that Japan is this perfect place of cutesy characters and futuristic electronics, but in reality it has its fair share of problems...


I would say the only people that would believe that are the people who have done no real research on Japan. Japan is just like every other place/country with its own share of problems (some quite severe from an outsider looking in viewpoint).

And Japan cell phone technology is like 2 years ahead of that in America...but that is unreleated really Smile.

While the article was good, I was expecting more on what he did besides "we went to the mountains" and less "I came to Japan and it sucks because" kind of column. Of course, there is a severe lack of "Bad things about Japan" on anime-related sites, so I guess this was a nice change.

Article was well-written.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:24 pm Reply with quote
prettygirl wrote:


What .Sy is saying is exactly the false impression that I thought Tarbox was giving off. Readers, keep in mind that this is the personal opinion of Tarbox and is not the absolute solid truth of all Japanese "salarymen". We do not come from Japan so we do not fully understand the work ethic there (no matter how long one has lived there, one is still not a native), and thus do not have the right to criticize another's system (by essentially saying they are "slave-drivers").

Remember... what seems to us as unusual might be quite normal to others. In this case, what seems to us as "slave-driving" might be "normal" to native Japanese.



I definitely disagree with the sentiment that one cannot disagree with a lifestyle simply because one has not experienced it. That's like saying that I can't criticize Stalin's tyrannical regime simply because I wasn't stuck in a gulag. The nice thing about being able to experience another culture is that one can take a comparitive perspective relative to one's own culture; aka, pros and cons. On a bit of a random note, that is why internet/phone/T.V. (various mediums of communications) are such wonderful technology; they stir the melting pot, and help shed light on various society's ills by pointing out that other environments may not have said baggage.

- Shaun
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:26 pm Reply with quote
scpedicini wrote:
I definitely disagree with the sentiment that one cannot disagree with a lifestyle simply because one has not experienced it. That's like saying that I can't criticize Stalin's tyrannical regime simply because I wasn't stuck in a gulag. The nice thing about being able to experience another culture is that one can take a comparitive perspective relative to one's own culture; aka, pros and cons. On a bit of a random note, that is why internet/phone/T.V. (various mediums of communications) are such wonderful technology; they stir the melting pot, and help shed light on various society's ills by pointing out that other environments may not have said baggage.

- Shaun


You make an interesting point but I still think one does not have the right to criticize unless one has experienced life in Japan. In fact, even if one were to experience life in Japan, one would also have to fully understand the culture and work ethic in Japan to have the right to deem someone a "slave-driver". Like I said before, what seems outrageous to me might be "normal" to someone else. The same goes for a country's work ethic.

In the case of Stalin's regime, someone in the Soviet Union evidently supported it and thus thought it was "normal". Sure, you can criticize it but I would wonder how valid your criticism would be without fully understanding everything that went on and without understanding their culture.

Take something as simple as clothing. Some cultures do not wear clothes. To other clothing-wearing cultures, this might be considered disgraceful. But, like everything, there are two sides to the story and there will always be sides to be taken.
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