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YourNeighborTotoro
 Posts: 90 Location: On this forum...No Duh |
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Note: I am NOT asking for downloads!!!
Hi, I was curious about fansubbing. I know that it is illegal, but I had a question regarding it. What are the ethics of watching/making fansubs of material made free to Japanese viewers via the internet? For example, XXXholic Episode One (First Half) was made available on the internet for viewing for free, is it OK to watch/make fansubbed versions of XXXholic Episode One (First Half)? After all, the Japanese licensor made it free to the public. I am not only speaking for XXXholic Episode One (First Half), but the numerous titles made available on Bandai Channel for free, and other legal internet anime showings. I do know, however, that if only Episode One of ____ anime was released for free does not mean that Epsiode 2-? of ____ anime is OK to fansub. But is it OK to watch/fansub these Episode Ones of ____ anime shows, since they were released free? Thank you for your time and replies in advance. |
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Espeon
 Posts: 105 Location: Australia |
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Well i'm not sure,
But if it's Japanese and your in australia like me, and you wanna watch it now  , you'd want someone to sub it for you.
As i have read the board on fansubing topics, if it's japanese and the company in japan doesnt complain about it being fansub it's free for all, I think in most ways if you see it in sub you may buy it when it' comes out in english like I do, I have quiet a few series i saw in fansub, more i didn't want to read subtitles while sitting on my bed watching the show . Well except Phychic Academy but that's forgiven.
Probably didn't answer much but
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Pleroma
 Posts: 443 Location: Eromanga island |
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Ethics is a personla issue, asking others to define your ethics is a joke. If it is OK with you you do it, if for some reason its not then you don't.
All fansubs in any shape and form all illegal, the whole ethics debate is just a pathetic attempt by some members of the community to appease their evidently guilty conscience. |
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Digital Dreamer
 Posts: 287 Location: Sydney, Australia |
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Rule of thumb in regards to fan subs is this. At the end of the day, it is stealing profits from the animators and people currently holding or planing on purchasing the lisences. Sure, there is a lot of japanese animators that will turn a blind eye to some one fan subbing it. However there is nothing stopping then from taking legal action against the fan subbers. Whether it's Labor of Love or Bootlegging, both forms are copyright infringment. |
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epixeltwin
 Posts: 325 Location: Montreal, Qc, Canada |
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actually the whole thing of not-watching-fansub is because you kind of steal intellectual property of people who worked for it... By not paying, the people that worked hard to give you this anime don't get rewarded as they should.
But if the anime won't ever be licensed here or is available for free on the internet, the authors would never get payment for it anyways. As a general rule, just tell yourself that you'd better not get fansubs of anything you can buy (and watch in a Sub/Dub that you can understand). Why not just rent anime on the internet or in a real place? It's not as expensive as buying DVDs and it's legal. |
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
 Posts: 9902 Location: New Taipei City, Taiwan, ROC |
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I see that most repliers have misunderstood the thread starter and have started the 1,562,349th fansub legality debate.
Quit it. The major point of YourNeighborTotoro was this:
It is still illegal. Even a direct link (i.e. linking the free video/audio contents without having to enter the root website) can be illegal, for this action has rendered the effort of advertisers for nothing, as direct links eliminate the chance for web users seeing their ads. That's why many commercial websites and weblog hosting services have anti-right click / anti-direct link / anti-highlighting features (although they are pretty easy to be bypassed, for one can retrieve them from local cache). I wrote articles on my blog which are free to be browsed, but I reserve the right allowing others to redistribute them, especially after retouching (fansubbing in the case of anime producers). |
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SharinganEyes92
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Yeah. They have that on Friday Night Fix for Adult Swim. |
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goins007
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Of course you can easily make a case that fansubs actually BOOST sales when they do hit the states. Gundamn Seed, Trigun, R.O.D., Full Metal Alchemist, Outlaw Star, and a lot of other gundam movies, all have funsubs to thank for me buying them when they finally were dubbed over here. And while I do come accross people who download and don't buy, they are out numbered buy the people who do buy (from my personal experience), like me. |
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neorandomizer
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[quote="Digital Dreamer"]
Fansub's are they way that anime broke into the US market and the japanese have for the most part not gone after sites that have them for download as long as the title is not released in the US. Most fan sites pull the shows once they are imported but if they wanted to the Japanese companies could file suit to stop the fansub sites. ps I am old enough to remember when the fansubs started in the 1970's and the tapes where found in the same place people bought bootleg records. Their where also clubs that would trade tapes through the mail and we would have parties at the one guys place that had a VCR to watch the tapes when they came in. |
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
Posts: 9902 Location: New Taipei City, Taiwan, ROC |
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If you are that old, you should know better that fansub legality debate threads are the most notoriously meaningless type of threads. Unless anyone else has additional information about fansubbing trailers and free previews, I think YourNeighborTotoro's question has been answered: it's illegal, but it's almost impossible for a company to chase after fabsubber of free previews when it does not even have enough resources to chase after those fansubbing complete licensed series. Furthermore, as someone else pointed it out, fansubbed previews increase visibility. |
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joel_s95387
Posts: 1804 Location: California... The Village Hidden In The Porn |
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I would agree too that it is illegal. I remember FUNimation had, I don't know if they still do, the first episodes of Grappler Baki available for download, via streaming I believe.
I always though that fansubs were illegal because they could be downloaded onto your computer, transferred to a DVD or other distributable media, and shared among people, thus causing people not to buy the DVD since they have seen it already. Sure, there are a few people, me for one, who might want to own it on DVD because of the superiority (Audio and Video), but those numbers are so little that fansubbing hurts the industry. I don't understand how fansubbers make money, or if they even make money, out of subbing these series. I've seen sites that have a "donation" section, but who would be stupid enough to donate? |
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vickeyv
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While we are at that topic, i think i had bring up something which i sorta was wanting to bring up. ITs about the sponsorship screens. THese are left intact like the case with GSD, Bleach and Naruto. And i gotta say these also have a great deal to impact. As in not every one is moved by cheesy commercials then they are with the still screen giving thanks to companies who helped make the anime possible. On the contrary, the companies are getting illegal advertising as well, they should pay up the Anime studio for the extra exposure, offcourse they are not since the whole fansub concept is illegal at the moment.
people advertising is very important for commerce, many companies pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in marketing just to advertise there brand to thousands, and they do pay alot of money of for stagnat commericals like say some thing in a magazine. And a fansub does posses as much reach as a magazine. And think of what a company would really pay if they are told that there name will be flashed across the screens of hundreds of thousands and they will be thanked? Btw i am not saying this makes the fansub good and legal, this makes it even more illegal, this is sorta worng advertising, you can't advertise without paying for it. THe company gotta pay the studio, and fansub group, lol, ok joking at the group part. But intresting isn't it, there is another illegal frame of business that goes unnoticed in the art of fansubing, where as this facet is the one which has the greatest impact on us and the market. I really want to buy P&G products after seeing so many screens in Naruto fansubs. Strange huh! |
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Pleroma
Posts: 443 Location: Eromanga island |
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Yup they do it all for free. As far as donating, I have in the past considering how much entertainment they provide at no cost its the least one can do. I wonder if the japanese companies themselves will ever provide subbed previews as a way to raise interest overseas. |
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darkhunter
 Posts: 2992 Location: Los Angelas |
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Yes provide stolen entertainment. They don't do it for the money, but it's not like it's coming out of their pockets so most do it for the "fame" to be superior among their peers and to get praise for an excellent job. These fansubber act all high and mighty on their irc forum. And did the Japanese ask for other people to promote their title? It's more important to any business to have complete control over their intellectual property. Don't call it a preview when the entire series is available. A lot of people always have the notion that "the Japanese companies don't mind", but most companies either aren't aware of the situation or simply it's too hard for them to actually take action against it. Media Factory (japanese studio) has ask several fansubber to stop fansub their property like School Rumble, Akane Maniax etc, a while back (it was big news) and fansubberstill fansub it. |
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Kusanagi_Kei
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Hooray! You took the words right out of my mouth. I completely agree. If you people think about it clearly, fansubbers are very sad people. Doing something that is completely unbeneficial (apart from learning some Japanese I suppose), non-profiting, and a waste of time. And yet they continue to be sad like that, so why? Well, as darkhunter had said, they do it for fame, popularity and to get praise and possibly their own "fans". Hence, most fansubbers now, milk the most of their chances to place their identities on their encoded anime videos. By sticking their fake/nicknames everywhere on the video. And.... (this really ticks me off) especially when they "XXX fansub group" PROUDLY PRESENTS!!!... "AAA anime" Or... we people at "XXX fansubs" after 26 hours of editing, 8 hours ot typesetting, 12 hours of translating, 5 hours of checking, we are PROUD to announce OUR first RELEASE of "AAA anime". Although non-intentional, they actually attempt to steal the credit from the producers (and what credit there would be if the anime is licensed in the states), drawing all attention and popularity to them. I take their work for granted, you can't thank them in anyway, unless you go up to them and lick their shoes clean or give them $100 for each anime they subtitle. The way most people thank them is in this way: *ahem* "Oh I love your releases! Please keep up the great work! I can't wait for your next release!" ... "OMG I love you people! You are geniuses! Thank you so much for subbing "XX anime"!" Fansubbers wanna flame at me? Sure bring it on In the end, fansubbers are still sad people. |
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