Forum - View topicTalking about defamation of religous beliefs
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umer
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I remember watching the Peacock King anime. During one of the scenes when the main demon/bad guy is released they flash a number of symbols in kanji representing the demons name. Two of them happened to be in Arabic. Allah and Muhammad. I am sure the creators had no idea what those symbols meant..them being ignorant I presume or at least hope. I was however very offended at their ignorance and was angry. I was hoping that at least US manga which released it stateside would have got rid of the two useless and distasteful frames. I guess they never did. But the anime was pretty bad anyway. Well I hope they eidt those parts in the dvd.
Well I guess this sort of thing often happens because of ignorance if anything else. Remember it was the new harlock saga serires I believe which got canned causes of religous overtures that were deemed inappropriate by the original creator. |
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Cassandra
 Posts: 1356 Location: Birdsboro, PA |
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I find it funny that people in the US get offended over stuff and ASK it to be edited.
Don't ruin it for everyone else. Leave the title the way it's supposed to be....unedited. If you don't like it, don't watch it. |
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umer
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Well isnt that an oxymoron. How do u know its offensive unless u watch it??
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Cassandra
Posts: 1356 Location: Birdsboro, PA |
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It's not an oxymoron at all. You turn it on. You get offended. You turn it off. Easy enough. |
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radicaledward
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I agree with Cassandra on this - if you don't like a movie, don't watch it; if you don't like a book, don't read it; if you don't like a song, don't listen to it or buy the CD; but don't sit there and tell me what I should and should not like based upon on your own moral structure - someone else is probaly different.
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Tempest
 I Run this place.ANN Publisher  Posts: 10470 Location: Do not message me for support. |
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This is a tough one.
One one side, we have the cinephile belief that shows shouldn't be edited in ways to localize them. On the other side, we have the common belief that certain offensive material, such as the improper use of a religeous symbol, should not be present in a show. But then, there are so many potentially offensive uses of religious symbols, from all sorts of religions in all sorts of movies. Look at the use of a cross in the Exorcist as an example. Unfortunately ophensive use of religious symbols is just something we have to live with. Some times the use is accidental (as you suspect it was in Peacock King), some times it is an integral part of the plot (as it was in the exorcist) and other times is appear to be for no other reason than to offend. If it isn't integral to the show, then I see no reason not to remove it. Editing is generally considered bad, but I'm sure that if the original creators accidentally did something offensive they would have no problem correcting it in their show (provided there isn't too much work involved). I suggest you e-mail Manga ent and suggest this to them. But you will at the same time have to get used to the fact that people will continue to do things that you find religiously offensive, and if they do it on purpose... For example if an Anime is set in the middle east around 800 CE, you may find a portrayal of cerain religious figures that offends you. It may be offensive to you, and you may think that it shouldn't be published. But the belief in free speach will undoubtedly prevail over the belief in religious laws... |
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Stray Jacket
Posts: 9 Location: PA |
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really people, what the hell? Our country is filled with too many censors anyway....just don't watch it...by putting up a topic like this u are only aggrivating your frustrations more by putting a spotlight on it. Marlyn Manson's music is very anti-religious...but for some reason a lot of the music people arent as sensitive as the anime people.....I wonder if this makes sense...
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caulfield
 Posts: 80 Location: Los Angeles, CA |
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Hrmmmm...
Isn't this just some obscure cultural stigma which has recurringly manifested itself in Japanese animation? I can't think of any examples right off the bat, but I vaguely recall religious & cultural symbols scatterred throughout dozens of anime. Like the use of a Nazi sign to show that a character is an antagonist without implying that they are actually a member of the Nazi party and specifically hate Jewish people. In this light, adding religious references to a work is merely to add what William James would call another turn of the screw. Its just an additional layer of mysticism. Afterall, Japan is comprised mostly of Buddhists and atheists, both of which view organized religion as very silly. The point at which censorship through editing might have to be brought into the picture is when work is intended to be offensive or derogatory and is portrayed such that it in no way contributes to either the plot itself or a presented point of view. Is it offensive that Allah and Muhammad were mentioned in Peacock King? Yes, perhaps it is. Was it meant to be offensive? Most likely not. I maintain that it is merely a manifestation of a cultural mindset ingrained in Japanese society. And come on, a big part of the reason many of us enjoy anime is to get a small dose of an alien culture (and a culture which many Americans have professed to have become addicted to). Just my 2 ¥en... ,Caul |
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v1cious
 Posts: 6236 Location: Houston, TX |
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sigh... what's with all the religious crap on this board lately? geez go hug a cross or something.
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Delthayre
 Posts: 414 Location: One of the good United States |
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I think it's a thing that passes through any message board focused on something that has a broad range of elements. Religion is very important to some people, and irrelevant to others. For the uninterested it is best to allow things to flow through and past without acrimony while those who have a more signifigant interest in faith work things through.
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Yuki555
 Posts: 164 Location: Georgia |
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I agree with everyone saying "if you don't like it, don't watch it." An anime already take a pretty long time to make, I don't think they have the time to do research on everything before starting something. It's not fair to the artist by making him or her starting all over because they drew a symbol that's already out there.
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Anlushac11
Posts: 268 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana, USA |
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I have watched anime before and seen a certain scene I didn't approve of, but I have yet to see something that was so bad that I quit watching it. I watch Family Guy on AS and more than a few times they make fun of religion and Jesus. I think to myself that they'll smoke a turd in purgatory for that one then move on. I know there are some people who would see the same scene and write a letter demanding that the show be removed from the air or the scene censored. I dont believe in censorship but I do believe there is a such a thing as bad taste and a right time and a wrong time for most everything. Last edited by Anlushac11 on Thu Jun 26, 2003 3:56 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Tempest
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There have been two threads, that's not a lot. If the religious "crap" doesn't interest you, don't read it. |
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ExeterBlue
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religion is a good old reliable punching bag in my oppinion...if you cant find it funny your probably dead.....
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GATSU
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umer has a point. While it's never possible to produce media without offending people, at least you can do the f*cking research when you're incorporating someone else's cultural values into your work, as opposed to
just pulling it out of your arse. (*cough* Anno and Evangelion *cough*) And I guess as anime becomes an international phenonemon, the only way to alleviate your concerns about such distortions is to voice your opinions(in a constructive manner) to the animators themselves, whenever the opportunity arrives. caulfield: "Like the use of a Nazi sign to show that a character is an antagonist" Well the swastika was originally a symbol of immortality in Asian culture. |
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