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NEWS: Hanamonogatari Anime Slated for TV in 2014


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Stark700



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:19 pm Reply with quote
Excellent! Good way to start off 2014 just like the announcement we got earlier this year.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:31 pm Reply with quote
So Hanamonogatari is going to be produced the same way as Nekomonogatari (Black). I still would like to have seen this arc in the second season of Monogatari, but at least we know how Hanamonogatari will be handled.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:42 pm Reply with quote
angelmcazares wrote:
So Hanamonogatari is going to be produced the same way as Nekomonogatari (Black). I still would like to have seen this arc in the second season of Monogatari, but at least we know how Hanamonogatari will be handled.


Maybe it'll have a higher budget, Neko White looked great.
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I do not like Suruga Kanbaru. she's too uptight for me.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:29 am Reply with quote
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I do not like Suruga Kanbaru. she's too uptight for me.
If you've noticed, often the "title girl" actually gets the least screen time in these episodes! Karen is hardly in Karen Bee, Tsuhiki is hardly in Tsuhiki Phoenix. Hanekawa is the exception, she is certainly the main girl in Neko. So far we've really seen much more of Shinobu than Hachikuji in kabuki. So... from this you might surmise that title girl or not, it won't be as much about Kanbaru as it is about other characters... but you will have to wait and see or read the novel to find out Smile

Still wondering what they mean by TV Anime though. Neko Kuro was NOT a TV anime, it was a special. TV Anime usually means weekly series of at least 10 episodes but we'll see...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:02 am Reply with quote
Stop making this crap. Make more anime like Trigun.

No, I'm not trolling. I'm being serious. We need more action adventure anime like Trigun. Sure the animation wasn't great, but the visuals and character designs were and setting, characters and feel was. The Monogatari series is overrated and the producers don't deserve 1 cent from the show.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:16 am Reply with quote
YamadaKun wrote:
Stop making this crap. Make more anime like Trigun.

No, I'm not trolling. I'm being serious. We need more action adventure anime like Trigun. Sure the animation wasn't great, but the visuals and character designs were and setting, characters and feel was. The Monogatari series is overrated and the producers don't deserve 1 cent from the show.
They make the shows that people buy. The Monogatari franchise is one of the best selling in anime history. Not sure why you expect them to stop making it when it is still making money hand over fist... They've said they're going to animate all the novels. There is still another season to go after this. No amount of wishing will make it go away.

What is close to Trigun today? Anything? Did it sell? I don't think so. That is your answer as to why they don't make anime like Trigun today. It isn't what the people who buy anime want to buy. They want Monogatari, Evangelion, Attack on Titan, Uta Pri 2000%, LoveLive!, Idolmaster, Madoka, Tiger & Bunny, Girls Und Panzer, Fate/Zero, Sword Art Online, Kuroko's Basketball, Horizon, Jojo... See anything you like? If not, you don't like what sells best the last couple of years. Get used to it or wait for the industry to shift back to Trigun-like shows, if it ever does.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:17 am Reply with quote
hpulley wrote:
Pangea wrote:
I do not like Suruga Kanbaru. she's too uptight for me.
If you've noticed, often the "title girl" actually gets the least screen time in these episodes! Karen is hardly in Karen Bee, Tsuhiki is hardly in Tsuhiki Phoenix. Hanekawa is the exception, she is certainly the main girl in Neko. So far we've really seen much more of Shinobu than Hachikuji in kabuki. So... from this you might surmise that title girl or not, it won't be as much about Kanbaru as it is about other characters... but you will have to wait and see or read the novel to find out Smile

Still wondering what they mean by TV Anime though. Neko Kuro was NOT a TV anime, it was a special. TV Anime usually means weekly series of at least 10 episodes but we'll see...


Well Mayoi is more of a central character in one of the later arcs so you'll get some there xD And actually Karen gets the most screen time in arc than in any other, same with Tsuhiki. Since neither appears in bakemono and they only appear for odd scenes in other arcs. In the first season the title characters appear a lot soo...basically it's just a few arcs where that happens xD

And @YamadaKun - shut the hell up. If you don't like the series then go and watch things YOU like without complaining that people have differing opinions to you. I'm sure there is enough bloody action adventure, that's the largest genre within Shounen -.- So GTFO.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:26 am Reply with quote
hpulley wrote:
YamadaKun wrote:
Stop making this crap. Make more anime like Trigun.

No, I'm not trolling. I'm being serious. We need more action adventure anime like Trigun. Sure the animation wasn't great, but the visuals and character designs were and setting, characters and feel was. The Monogatari series is overrated and the producers don't deserve 1 cent from the show.

They make the shows that people buy. The Monogatari franchise is one of the best selling in anime history. Not sure why you expect them to stop making it when it is still making money hand over fist... They've said they're going to animate all the novels. There is still another season to go after this. No amount of wishing will make it go away.

What is close to Trigun today? Anything? Did it sell? I don't think so. That is your answer as to why they don't make anime like Trigun today. It isn't what the people who buy anime want to buy. They want Monogatari, Evangelion, Attack on Titan, Uta Pri 2000%, LoveLive!, Idolmaster, Madoka, Tiger & Bunny, Girls Und Panzer, Fate/Zero, Sword Art Online, Kuroko's Basketball, Horizon, Jojo... See anything you like? If not, you don't like what sells best the last couple of years. Get used to it or wait for the industry to shift back to Trigun-like shows, if it ever does.


Jojo, F/Z and Tiger and Bunny are great, but the rest blow. This is more because the quality of anime went downhill after 2000. Also, if these producer/distributors have any balls, they would make more risky shows, to show that they can make quality shit. If the shows bomb, then at LEAST they're being entrepreneurs and taking risks rather than play it safe. That's why I liked the old days better. The Gundam series from 1994-1999 were all bombs and Sunrise was bleeding money, but at least they were producing quality anime and took risks.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:36 am Reply with quote
YamadaKun wrote:
hpulley wrote:
YamadaKun wrote:
Stop making this crap. Make more anime like Trigun.

No, I'm not trolling. I'm being serious. We need more action adventure anime like Trigun. Sure the animation wasn't great, but the visuals and character designs were and setting, characters and feel was. The Monogatari series is overrated and the producers don't deserve 1 cent from the show.

They make the shows that people buy. The Monogatari franchise is one of the best selling in anime history. Not sure why you expect them to stop making it when it is still making money hand over fist... They've said they're going to animate all the novels. There is still another season to go after this. No amount of wishing will make it go away.

What is close to Trigun today? Anything? Did it sell? I don't think so. That is your answer as to why they don't make anime like Trigun today. It isn't what the people who buy anime want to buy. They want Monogatari, Evangelion, Attack on Titan, Uta Pri 2000%, LoveLive!, Idolmaster, Madoka, Tiger & Bunny, Girls Und Panzer, Fate/Zero, Sword Art Online, Kuroko's Basketball, Horizon, Jojo... See anything you like? If not, you don't like what sells best the last couple of years. Get used to it or wait for the industry to shift back to Trigun-like shows, if it ever does.


Jojo, F/Z and Tiger and Bunny are great, but the rest blow. This is more because the quality of anime went downhill after 2000. Also, if these producer/distributors have any balls, they would make more risky shows, to show that they can make quality shit. If the shows bomb, then at LEAST they're being entrepreneurs and taking risks rather than play it safe. That's why I liked the old days better. The Gundam series from 1994-1999 were all bombs and Sunrise was bleeding money, but at least they were producing quality anime and took risks.
Even Fate is making a magical girl show now...

People make lots of risky bombs today but the economy isn't what it was then. You make too many risky bombs and you go bankrupt. You go bankrupt too many times and you go away...

I hope you are supporting the shows you do like. It is about the only way to have your opinion counted. As I said, complaining on ANN doesn't help. Buying stuff will help in a small way.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:01 am Reply with quote
YamadaKun wrote:
Stop making this crap. Make more anime like Trigun.

No, I'm not trolling. I'm being serious. We need more action adventure anime like Trigun. Sure the animation wasn't great, but the visuals and character designs were and setting, characters and feel was. The Monogatari series is overrated and the producers don't deserve 1 cent from the show.


Seriously? Seems like a troll post. Trigun was one of the shallowest anime of it's time. No substance, and built on silly characters and sterotypes. It came out in a time where I loved every anime from Japan and even that show was too silly for my tastes.

Calling Monogatari crap is a troll post like it or not. Plenty of people like it. I'm calling Trigun utter crap.

The point is everyone has their own tastes. Nothing is worse than anything else. I hate that part of our fandom. You have to shit all over stuff someone else likes and then say the stuff you like is the best ever. How does that ever prove a point, or get anyone interested in something you like. If I had never seen Trigun before your post I would go out of my way to make sure I never watch it after your post.
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Seriously? Seems like a troll post. Trigun was one of the shallowest anime of it's time. No substance, and build on silly characters and sterotypes. It came out in a time where I loved every anime from Japan and even that show was too silly for my tastes.

Calling Monogatari crap is a troll post like it or not. Plenty of people like it. I'm calling Trigun utter crap.


I'm just saying that anime companies these days are afraid to take risks with money. In this world, if you don't use money, you get nothing. Example, look at Akira. It cost about $10,000,000 to make, which was a massive sum for anime films and still is. That is ambitious. Wings before that was $8,000,000. While Akira made money and Wings did not, at least Gainax/Bandai Visual learned their lesson. Also, the only anime that can even come close or surpass Wing's animation is Akira. Also, Production IG used to be very ambitious, too. They did require help from Ghibli in GITS 2 and they even got help from American companies like Manga and Bandai Entertainment to make the SAC series, but they used their money wisely and that was ambitious and well worth the money. Anime today cuts way too many production corners, compared to the past. Anime like Escaflowne on mainstream channels like TV cost 30,000,000 yen per episode, which was the most expensive TV anime during the time by a long shot and was ambitious. It failed yes, but Sunrise/TV Tokyo/Bandai Visual learned their lessons.
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The fact that he will be out of highschool is already making me happy
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:20 am Reply with quote
YamadaKun wrote:
Anime today cuts way too many production corners, compared to the past. Anime like Escaflowne on mainstream channels like TV cost 30,000,000 yen per episode, which was the most expensive TV anime during the time by a long shot and was ambitious.


Yes, because every single anime was as expensive and good looking as Escaflowne, full of non-stop sakuga and animation on the 1s. Don't even try to move the goalposts on this. Anime's always cut corners on production, that's how they've been able to produce so much.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:38 am Reply with quote
walw6pK4Alo wrote:
YamadaKun wrote:
Anime today cuts way too many production corners, compared to the past. Anime like Escaflowne on mainstream channels like TV cost 30,000,000 yen per episode, which was the most expensive TV anime during the time by a long shot and was ambitious.


Yes, because every single anime was as expensive and good looking as Escaflowne, full of non-stop sakuga and animation on the 1s. Don't even try to move the goalposts on this. Anime's always cut corners on production, that's how they've been able to produce so much.


But Escaflowne is 26 episodes, not counting the extra tidbits you can find on Laserdisc. $300,000 X 26=$7,800,000. The average 12-13 episode anime costs something like $100,000-$300,000 per episode, which is $1,200,000-$3,000,000, which means that Escaflowne would be harder to animate, due to length. Cowboy Bebop cost around $200,000 per episode and it looks on par with OVAs like Macross FB7, which was far better animated and had more better art than the series. I'd personally have series that are 12-13 episode average $200,000-$500,000 per episode. That would make things more ambitious. Also, anime may cut corners, but there are loads of expensive anime that costs $200,000 or more per episode. I'm gonna assume OVAs cost $300,000-$500,000 on average, due to higher quality art and animation. I'm just saying that you shouldn't be safe. Black Cauldron from Disney wasn't safe and it bombed, but Disney learned a lot from that.
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