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NyuuChan



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:40 am Reply with quote
If you could in any way alter the ending of an anime, what would you do?

I'd change a few....

Elfen Lied: spoiler[As opposed to ending with Kouta looking twords the shadow at the gate, I would have him answer the door, have it be Nyuu like we all know it is, and add on a few more minuites of clarification that she lived, and will continue to live, hapily with Kouta and the rest of the gang.]

Chrono Crusade: spoiler[I know that this ending was perfect for what the show was, i loved it, however, i STILL want to change this: I want Chrono and Rosette to live!! I don't know how, they just need to live. Or, at the least, show more that they did together in the cottage before they watched their final sunset.]

what endings would you want to see changed, for sake of clarification or otherwise?
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Azathrael



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:37 am Reply with quote
If both of those series ended the way you wanted it, they'd be the most cliche anime endings (and thus no longer great like they are now).

Gankutsuou: spoiler[The fact that Edmond Dantes is the most tragic figure in the story is undisputable. But to have everyone live happily after, especially people that Dantes wanted revenge upon, is ridiculous. Dantes was in no way a role model figure whose life encouraged others to live better. His life was all about revenge, about his pain and suffering, but the anime has twisted that and turned it into some kind of heroism. It's a really bad, if not incorrect, interpretation of the character of Dantes. I can only say that the original novel's ending probably would've been the best, but I have not finished the book yet.]

Monster: spoiler[It's most reasonable to assume that Johan will not do the same things that he did again, after he escaped from his hospital bed at the last scene of the last episode, since he was saved twice by Tenma. However, to make it so ambiguous that it seems as if the ending was more of a "history is going to repeat itself" feel than a solid resolution, I see no point why the entire series had to be 74 episodes long and so prolonged. To make Tenma, Nina, and everyone else involved go through all that, just so Johan can run away after being saved by Tenma again, is simply not a suitable ending for such a series. The ending of Monster was like putting the ending of Elfen Lied into Chrno Crusade. A final resolution would've worked so much better.]

Banner of the Stars: spoiler[My main complaint is more of a lack of an ending. I loved BotS III but it just didn't feel like an ending. It was more of an ending of "one arc" and I was earnestly expecting a BotS IV, only to be disappointed with no news of such work. I'd really like to see a further continuation of this series where a final resolution is shown and doesn't make me feel like there's more to be expected.]

I realize that I didn't really put my "own ending" because I don't believe I have the talent to do so. If I were to make anime I'd probably scare off even the most extreme otaku so I'd rather spare you guys by stating the general direction in which I would've wanted the ending to go.
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cyrax777



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:43 am Reply with quote
I dont know the only show id change the ending to is the Hellsing tv series but thats alredy being done with the OAV remake.

and Berserk doesnt realy need a rewrite to the ending just a second seaon but that has a snowballs chance of happening.
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deafcon



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:00 am Reply with quote
Kare Kano could be redone from about the mid-point of the show. At least the last two episodes need to be fixed. That show just really lost it's way, and the ending didn't draw any conclusions.

The same thing goes for Evangelion. It got far too philosophical at the end, and even End of Eva didn't manage to fix things.

Berserk just needs at least another full season. There wasn't anything wrong with the way it ended, just that it ended there. It's still probably my favorite anime ever.
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Steventheeunuch





PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:25 am Reply with quote
deafcon wrote:

The same thing goes for Evangelion. It got far too philosophical at the end, and even End of Eva didn't manage to fix things.


The thing is though, with Evangelion's respective endings, if you take away the loose endings that seemingly don't resolve things, you then take away 99% of what made the show stay alive for ten years and become such a huge success (ie, the gigantic contraversy it generated).
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deafcon



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:34 am Reply with quote
There's no disputing that it wouldn't have the same amount of popularity without all of the loose strings. I just think it's irresponsible storytelling to leave SO many gaping holes in the plotline. Eva will always be a sore subject for. I watched the whole series from start to finish without stopping, it was a huge disapointment for it to end the way it did.
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Acolyte



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:02 am Reply with quote
Amazingly enough, there are quite a few that have left a "bile" taste in my mouth over the years; not because they were bad, but because your stomach just turns at the loss of a character(s) you've grown to know (shall I say, "love") over the course of a series. Two that I have worked on, in other words, actually written an "alternate ending" to are:

Noir: spoiler[one in which Chloe doesn't die], but instead joins the ranks of Noir; if people were thrown off because spoiler[Noir turned out to be two people and not just one, imagine their chagrin when a third pops up:] much long the lines of where Chloe and Kirika rescue Murielle: the three Musketeers - only female!

Figure 17: OK, this series made me wake to the fact that, yes, all my friends are correct - I have NO life. I found myself alone and crying on my couch at the end; egads; I had to trade in what little manhood I still had left for a box of kleenex. So in my "alt-end" spoiler[Hikaru lives on and is later reunited with Tsubasa.]

My eldest daughter has given her thumbs up on both of these projects, and since she is my primary audiance, I'm satisfied. Very Happy
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NyuuChan



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:22 am Reply with quote
Acolyte wrote:
Amazingly enough, there are quite a few that have left a "bile" taste in my mouth over the years; not because they were bad, but because your stomach just turns at the loss of a character(s) you've grown to know (shall I say, "love") over the course of a series. Two that I have worked on, in other words, actually written an "alternate ending" to are:

Noir: spoiler[one in which Chloe doesn't die], but instead joins the ranks of Noir; if people were thrown off because spoiler[Noir turned out to be two people and not just one, imagine their chagrin when a third pops up:] much long the lines of where Chloe and Kirika rescue Murielle: the three Musketeers - only female!

Figure 17: OK, this series made me wake to the fact that, yes, all my friends are correct - I have NO life. I found myself alone and crying on my couch at the end; egads; I had to trade in what little manhood I still had left for a box of kleenex. So in my "alt-end" spoiler[Hikaru lives on and is later reunited with Tsubasa.]

My eldest daughter has given her thumbs up on both of these projects, and since she is my primary audiance, I'm satisfied. Very Happy


I know what you mean...that's the only reason i'd ever alter the endings i posted above (as horribly clihce as they are) is because i just got pissed/angry/sad, because they killed some of my favorite characters...
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LydiaDianne



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:14 pm Reply with quote
At first, I was going to name Last Exile but I changed my mind, because ifspoiler[Alex Row had lived, he would have still wished for his lost love.]

So, my choice would be X TV & X movie. I wish that everyone spoiler[could have survived, esp. Sora & Arashi, Kamui, Fuma, & Kotori.] I guess I just grew to love them all too much.

I would have also like to have seen Fruits Basket continue, but at this point, it looks like it's going to be as long as Inu Yasha! Shocked
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NyuuChan



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:17 pm Reply with quote
LydiaDianne wrote:
At first, I was going to name Last Exile but I changed my mind, because ifspoiler[Alex Row had lived, he would have still wished for his lost love.]

So, my choice would be X TV & X movie. I wish that everyone spoiler[could have survived, esp. Sora & Arashi, Kamui, Fuma, & Kotori.] I guess I just grew to love them all too much.

I would have also like to have seen Fruits Basket continue, but at this point, it looks like it's going to be as long as Inu Yasha! Shocked


inuyasha isn't that long yet (it has been easily exceeded by DBZ, one piece, among others)....

and i think i know a way to keep the ending in CC the same but make it a lot less sad. I think it wound up being so sad was because spoiler[they had a lot of extra episodes, like the carnival and the christmas ones, that were just about getting to like the characters and their relationships, basically making you more "attatched" to them before they die....remove some of those and it might be a bit less dramatic?]
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LydiaDianne



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:24 pm Reply with quote
NyuuChan wrote:
LydiaDianne wrote:
At first, I was going to name Last Exile but I changed my mind, because ifspoiler[Alex Row had lived, he would have still wished for his lost love.]

So, my choice would be X TV & X movie. I wish that everyone spoiler[could have survived, esp. Sora & Arashi, Kamui, Fuma, & Kotori.] I guess I just grew to love them all too much.

I would have also like to have seen Fruits Basket continue, but at this point, it looks like it's going to be as long as Inu Yasha! Shocked


inuyasha isn't that long yet (it has been easily exceeded by DBZ, one piece, among others)....


I haven't been exposed (I guess that's word I want) to other long episodic anime other than Sailor Moon but with that series, it's "seasons" were clearly defined with opening, enemy, success in defeating said enemy, conclusion. So I guess that's why I consider Inu Yasha to be so long.
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NyuuChan



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:30 pm Reply with quote
LydiaDianne wrote:
NyuuChan wrote:
LydiaDianne wrote:
At first, I was going to name Last Exile but I changed my mind, because ifspoiler[Alex Row had lived, he would have still wished for his lost love.]

So, my choice would be X TV & X movie. I wish that everyone spoiler[could have survived, esp. Sora & Arashi, Kamui, Fuma, & Kotori.] I guess I just grew to love them all too much.

I would have also like to have seen Fruits Basket continue, but at this point, it looks like it's going to be as long as Inu Yasha! Shocked


inuyasha isn't that long yet (it has been easily exceeded by DBZ, one piece, among others)....


I haven't been exposed (I guess that's word I want) to other long episodic anime other than Sailor Moon but with that series, it's "seasons" were clearly defined with opening, enemy, success in defeating said enemy, conclusion. So I guess that's why I consider Inu Yasha to be so long.

oh it's by no means short (or good.) however i was just pointing out there's alot longer (and of what i mentioned besides DBZ, better in my personal light) series out there. Not trying to start anything, just making a useless point Very Happy
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huh?



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:30 pm Reply with quote
prior to watching cowboy bebop, i hadnt seen many other animes. i was used to very long animes like DBZ. so when spoiler[spike died ]at the end and the series was just over, i was very dissapointed. so i wouldve changed that and had it continue on a little longer.
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HitokiriShadow



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:58 pm Reply with quote
Acolyte wrote:

Noir: spoiler[one in which Chloe doesn't die], but instead joins the ranks of Noir; if people were thrown off because spoiler[Noir turned out to be two people and not just one, imagine their chagrin when a third pops up:] much long the lines of where Chloe and Kirika rescue Murielle: the three Musketeers - only female!


First, I would add blood to the series. When people get stapped, shot, or cut, they are supposed to bleed.

As for the ending itself, I would keep spoiler[Chloe's death]. However, I would have spoiler[Mirielle and Kirika kill the Soldats guys (with the possible exception of the cane guy)]. And I would probably take out spoiler[those two gunshots after the screen blacks out that suggests Mirielle and Kirika were killed.] I really have mixed feelings on that part.
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DrizzlingEnthalpy



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:11 pm Reply with quote
First of all I would like to say that I would not change Evangelion's ending AT ALL. You have two endings that you can consider concurrent or not, and with End of Evangelion you can basically interpret it whatever way you want to. If you can make it exactly the way you want in your mind, why change it? And although it may be considered "too philosophical" at the end, it was philosophical through the whole series and that simply climaxed in EoE along with the rest of the story. It was never really about fighting robots.


As for endings I would change, the biggest one for me would be Mahoromatic. That show's ending depressed the crap out of me and I still get a certain disturbing feeling in my gut whenever I'm reminded of how it ended. As I don't feel like going over the events again myself, this link sums it up best and I agree with everything this essay says wholly (with the exception of the Wizard of Oz allegory). And though the manga's ending doesn't have all the anime ending's problems, I still found it way too depressing.[/url]
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