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animonkey
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 Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:36 pm
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Why are they so different? I've only seen the first ep of the anime, and it was very different.
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outlawwolf
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:02 pm
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It is so different because 4 kids butchered it to holy hell. Please refer to all of the other anti-4 Kids threads for more information.
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Starwind Amada
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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:24 pm
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Most anime have major differences compared to the manga, you know. That, and 4Kids was involved with OP's licensing, which of course means that it gets turned into a Saturday morning cartoon for 11-year-old American boys.
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Ohoni
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:48 am
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Well, there are some notable differences, even in the Japanese version. The manga started with the Shanks prequel storyline, for example, while in the anime they started with Zoro's arc, and THEN the Shanks arc. Minor difference though, most of the actual content was unchanged, just it's possition in the story. But yeah, 4Kids butchered it pretty good.
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Mugen The Great
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:41 am
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| Starwind Amada wrote: | | That, and 4Kids was involved with OP's licensing, which of course means that it gets turned into a Saturday morning cartoon for 11-year-old American boys. |
In Japan, it WAS a show for 11-year-old boys (albiet in primetime, but then again 4Kids did show it on Toonami, making even more of their edits unexcusable). All 4Kids did was ruin it in an attempt to retard the youth of America and deprive their parents' wallets (luckily it hasn't really succeeded). Man, if they could even see how much drama and violence they get away with in TNMT, One Piece should never have been this much of a problem.
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ShadrachAnki
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:25 am
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| Mugen The Great wrote: | | Man, if they could even see how much drama and violence they get away with in TNMT, One Piece should never have been this much of a problem. |
As an interesting note, 4Kids is the production company backing TMNT.
The One Piece anime, as with many other series based on Shonen Jump titles, seems to hold a lot truer to the manga storylines than many of the shojo titles out there. I find this interesting because I end up looking at the changes that were made between the two formats to see why they exist.
Some of it is for the Japanese censors (yes, they do have censoring in Japan between the anime and the manga). At other times, the animation studio decides to tweak things somewhat to make them flow more smoothly. Take, for example, the previously mentioned Shanks storyline in One Piece. Toei made the decision to place it as a flashback in the anime rather than starting with it because it really is a prologue to Luffy's adventures. Prologues work well in written works (and I include manga in that category), but they don't work so well in a film media, particularly something in a weekly serial format like an anime.
As has been mentioned, the drastic differences between the anime and the manga in America are due to the 4Kids butchering of the series.
~Shadrach Anki
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Ohoni
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:54 pm
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In Japan, it WAS a show for 11-year-old boys |
Yeah, but as has been shown, Japanese kids are just better than Amercian kids. They can watch heavier stuff. Basically, take any Japanese show, add five years to it's target demographic, and you'll be around the American appropriate demographic for the show. If you try to compare a Japanese 11 year old to an American 11 year old, then of course edits will have to be made. It's a little like the Special Olympics that way.
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Neo-Yasha
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:55 pm
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I never mind too much when they mess around with an anime in the transaction from Japanese manga to North Amer. anime if it's for the purpose of time or to make it easier for the voices to align with mouthing. When it come to holding back on the violence or language or any other graphic material just because they don't deem it appropriate, that's when i get pissed off. Really with One Piece, it's something i think they should have left as it was.
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Mugen The Great
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:57 pm
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| Ohoni wrote: |
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In Japan, it WAS a show for 11-year-old boys |
Yeah, but as has been shown, Japanese kids are just better than Amercian kids. |
Not true. His Dark Materials is a book supposedly aimed at 8-12 year olds that American kids in that age range read but it boarderlines on R-rated content in certain parts (plus it is of a very high level of intelligence, and 4Kids certainly cut out any bit of intelligence One Piece had). Japanese kids weren't even allowed to see half of Bebop. So kids in both Japan and America can handle equal ammounts of maturity. It's just that Japanese adults tend to respect kids more than American/Brittish/Western adults respect kids (with some exceptions, such as the 2 noted at the top of this paragraph).
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animonkey
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:18 pm
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| outlawwolf wrote: | | It is so different because 4 kids butchered it to holy hell. Please refer to all of the other anti-4 Kids threads for more information. |
No, there are big differences between the manga and the uncut SUBBED anime. 4-kids has nothing to do with it.
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Nagisa
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:14 pm
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| Mugen The Great wrote: | | Japanese kids weren't even allowed to see half of Bebop. |
Cowboy Bebop also ran at Adult Swim-like hours in Japan. Late night here, late night there.
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Mugen The Great
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:30 pm
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| Nagisa wrote: |
| Mugen The Great wrote: | | Japanese kids weren't even allowed to see half of Bebop. |
Cowboy Bebop also ran at Adult Swim-like hours in Japan. Late night here, late night there. |
Odd, I assumed it was a primetime show given the censorship. Seems odd they couldn't get away with those episodes late at night. They're certainly nowhere near Gantz-level gore and sex.
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Nagisa
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:19 pm
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| Mugen The Great wrote: | | They're certainly nowhere near Gantz-level gore and sex. |
Gantz was edited for Japanese television, as well. The version we got on DVD was not what ran on TV, but rather was the touched up DVD-exclusive cut.
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Mugen The Great
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:43 pm
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| Nagisa wrote: |
| Mugen The Great wrote: | | They're certainly nowhere near Gantz-level gore and sex. |
Gantz was edited for Japanese television, as well. The version we got on DVD was not what ran on TV, but rather was the touched up DVD-exclusive cut. |
I knew it was editted on Japanese TV. What I'm saying is that is was reasonable for the Gantz edits, but the Bebop edits were pointless and confusing.
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