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doc-watson42
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:52 pm Reply with quote
Greetings and felicitations. I have a question about entering data, specifically the vintage of manga volumes. Is it permissible to enter (as I did with the City Hunter manga) the vintage of each volume of the tankoubon (and bunko in this case, though wideban would also be part of the question), or is this abusive? My source of information is the best--PRISMS, so that's not a problem; I just want to know if I should continue.

For the record, I'm in the running for a top contributor spot this month.

Edit: I notice that someone's already beaten me to KochiKame.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:13 pm Reply with quote
Although vintage was not designed with individual volumes in mind, it's become quite common for people to enter them that way.

Perhaps later we'll expand the volume title section to include dates, but for the time being, entering the dates in that method is fine.

Do not enter North American releases that way though, we have the release list for that.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:05 am Reply with quote
For manga, there is already a type of information called "Volumes", so please don't enter volumes under "Vintage".
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doc-watson42
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 6:19 am Reply with quote
tempest wrote:
Do not enter North American releases that way though, we have the release list for that.

What if there is no release entry for the particular anime or manga? (E.g., none of the Devil Hunter Yohko VHS releases have entries, presumably because they were all before the Encyclopedia existed.)

Also, how should I report errors in release entries (inconsistent or incorrect titles, contents, running time, et cetera)?
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doc-watson42
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 6:26 am Reply with quote
Dan42 wrote:
For manga, there is already a type of information called "Volumes", so please don't enter volumes under "Vintage".

But the "Volumes" entry form makes no mention of a date or dates--only volume number and title. As an example: the Volumes entry form for DearS.

Also, if this is (now) the case, you have a huge backlog ahead of you--and not just because of me. :-/
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doc-watson42
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 6:57 am Reply with quote
(Replying to this post.)

Cookie wrote:
I see no one else has weighed in on this matter yet, it's pretty obvious that no solid answer has been reached.

See above. ^_^;

Cookie wrote:
I'm inclined to think that Bunko represent unnecessary duplication of data -- they are just miniaturized reprints, aren't they?

Quote:
The Usenet Manga Glossary ver. 1.3 beta build 5
book formats
[...]
bunko or bunkobon

Novels are normally published in what Japanese call bunko--these are
paperback volumes and are quite small in size. At the beginning of the 90s
publishers began to reprint manga in bunko format. As of now there are many
series available in this format. The volumes are printed on better paper
than the regular editions and contain more material per volume, but the
format is smaller. If your sight is not very good up close, then you Would
be better not to buy these books--the kanji in here are *very* small.
Although you pay more for a bunko than for a tankoubon, if you calculate the
price per chapter, buying bunko is actually cheaper.
[...]
A6 (bunko) : 105 x 148 mm

(Note: I'm the very wayward keeper of the FAQ, but I think that's as good a definition as you'll find.)

Cookie wrote:
While information about initial printings of tankoubon might have some appeal (particularly if we can get day/month/year of 1st printing) bunko don't seem as useful.

In some cases the date information for the bunko (or the wide-ban or aizou-ban) are all that is available in English, and I would point out that PRISMS includes it (for first printings, of course). See Rough for an example of the formating.

Cookie wrote:
I'm not certain if vintage is the appropriate place for it either, but the Encyc really needs an upgrade so that new stuff we hadn't thought about originally can be accounted for. :/

I look forward to it (as long as it is done well, of course--to do so is the challenge ahead of you. ^_^).
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:13 am Reply with quote
Dan42 wrote:
For manga, there is already a type of information called "Volumes", so please don't enter volumes under "Vintage".

Unlike anime DVD, most manga tankoubons have no volume title (per tankoubon) but chapter titles, thus "volume" for manga provides very limited information.

I'd recommend removing "volume" for manga altogether and install "chapter titles" similar to anime's "episode titles." The date information (if applicable) can mark the date of its serialization on a magazine. For tankoubon info, a red remark can be added; for example, if a manga contains five chapters per tankoubon, then a red REM: such as "end of volume 1" can be added within the title of 5th, 10th, 15th...chapters. Furthermore, since some US licensors would modify number of chapters per tankoubon, the EDITED: tag can be useful as well, marking "end of US volume 1" and such. "Vintage" is then (temporarily) reserved for tankoubon release, until a multi-lingual, multi-national release database is available.

Just my two cents.

P.S. Can we merge two "Data entry ethics" threads together?
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doc-watson42
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:30 am Reply with quote
dormcat wrote:
P.S. Can we merge two "Data entry ethics" threads together?

And perhaps upgrade the forum software so that the poster can delete thier own posts? I would have killed the other thread before any replies, but I could not find an option to do so. ^_^;
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