Forum - View topicKamikaze Kaitou Jeanne
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latia
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I know this has been licensed by CMX and it says it was suppose to come out on May 1st? What happened? The don't even have the cover art for it. Full Moon Wo Sagashite already has the cover art up (licensed by Viz)
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Godaistudios
Posts: 2075 Location: Albuquerque, NM (the land of entrapment) |
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I saw a post about this on Anime on DVD that said it's been resolicted for a July release. I haven't been able to confirm this though, but even so, I'm not going to be purchasing it due to it coming from CMX.
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smutchi
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Would you suggest the series?
I've read Fullmoon Wo Sagashite and I really liked it. |
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.Sy
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Last edited by .Sy on Fri May 27, 2005 3:02 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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darkhunter
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CMX did a hack job on TenTen by turning a mature manga into a teen manga. TenTen is one of their top titles that had great protential to get their name out....but because of the edit, there was this big backlash from the manga community. If you miss out, you obviously haven't been reading the news.
They do have two title that I'm interested in: Sword of the Dark One and Monster Collection. I check out their books at the bookstore and the paper seem really stiff. |
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Godaistudios
Posts: 2075 Location: Albuquerque, NM (the land of entrapment) |
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While Darkhunter did hit upon one of the big problems (the Ten Ten censorship), there are other issues. Their paper quality is lacking - it is stiff and the durability is in question. Some of the translation work has been questioned as well. The final nail in the coffin though, the reason why I reject purchasing anything from them is due to their PR (or lack thereof.) In spite of all the complaints made, they have stonewalled and remained silent. Treating your customers like crap and being unresponsive is as unprofessional as it gets. If they don't want to treat the buyers as important, they have no reason to be important to me. It's a shame though... in addition to a couple of other titles, I was looking forward to this release ever since the license for KKJ was announced. |
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midori kou
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I believe most people have been setting aside only bias beliefs towards CMX because of their treatment towards TenTen. Like I have said before, all of the current major US manga distributors all have the major flaw of editing something that they shouldn't have.
I remember that I got a bad impression of Tokyopop for editing Dragon Knights in the translation and the Sailormoon manga being too close to the dub series. As far as I know, not all series are given the same treatment. Give them the benefit of a doubt. It's not like all companies actually respond to these types of issues quite often. |
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Godaistudios
Posts: 2075 Location: Albuquerque, NM (the land of entrapment) |
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Except, that in this day and age - when it comes to editing/censorship, nothing in recent history has been such a severe PR nightmare. It's not that one or two people questioned CMX about it... they absolutely refuse to respond to ANY source... including the press. Others companies have stated their thoughts on the subject including Tokyopop and Geneon. Geneon, who is releasing the TenTen anime stated that they were "dismayed" at CMX's release. It's one thing to have a couple of minor complaints. When the complaints come out from every side, and the uproar comes to this magnitude, there is absolutely no excuse for a company to keep quiet for this long. At first, it was simply a matter of boycotting the title. Then their business practice of choosing to ignore the consumer base made me boycott the company as a whole. Since they've decided not to comment, it's only reinforced my anger and frustration over what they did to the TenTen. Until such time comes that they announce that they will be re-releasing TenTen uncensored, CMX won't be seeing any money from my wallet. The time has passed for any other answer to be satisfactory. To answer your statment, the "bias" that you speak of against CMX is much more than just their treatment of TenTen |
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.Sy
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Ignoring a whole hoard of complaints from many fans is just...cold. I just gave up on emailing Del Rey to take the "As Seen on TV" sign off the Gundam SEED manga. Not that it's a big deal, but companies shouldn't ignore fans like that. Especially at this point in time when many anime/manga fans know company names.
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darkhunter
Posts: 2992 Location: Los Angelas |
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They're trying to get new fans and I guess that that's why some fans feel neglected like they're not getting the proper treatment they deserve. It's these new fans that will likely make the manga a success or not and these companies rely on new fans. |
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midori kou
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What I have trouble seeing is how the effort of making it unedited is not strongly organized. I've seen the same people complaining on the DC messageboards and anime/manga boards. Frankly, the numbers seem to be not as big as it seems and defense is pretty weak. I'm amazed that no one has even tried reporting them to the Better Business Bureau. Personally after all the treatment you say that have occured, I would say that would be the last resort, not boycotting. If you want it corrected, get it corrected.
And Godaistudios, I''s, Yami no Matsuei, Ghost in the Shell, Gravitation, Narutaru and Initial D have all been edited or censored a certain way that have been either extreme like GITS and Narutaru or minor as I''s. |
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Godaistudios
Posts: 2075 Location: Albuquerque, NM (the land of entrapment) |
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Unfortunately, they aren't doing anything illegal per se, so the BBB isn't somebody to make a statement to about this. I'd like to see some retailers take them to court over the fact that when they solicted the first volume of manga, they didn't provide a warning that would happen. Sadly, I doubt this will occour.
Ah... I misread your original statement, my apologies. I originally read it as majorly edited, not major flaw. 
I thought you were meaning to say that every publisher had a title that they'd done that was as severly edited. |
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Java
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Theoretical off topic:
They have licensed it in Norway. Yippi!!! |
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midori kou
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Well, even if DC/CMX isn't doing any type of illegal operations, they aren't complying to the customers... Let alone answer the main question, "Why censor it?" It's a simple question. How hard is it to answer it? As someone said earlier, they have been quiet pretty much about it. Isn't that poor customer service and the BBB would be able to deal with that, no? It's not exactly what the fans want, but it's a start.
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Godaistudios
Posts: 2075 Location: Albuquerque, NM (the land of entrapment) |
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Hmm... I've been going over the criteria at the BBB's website.
There is this:
I'm not a lawyer by any means, so I don't know if this would fall under the category of false advertising, but let's look at CMX's slogan. "And it's pure manga — 100% the way the original Japanese creators want you to see it. In English!" Since the first volume wasn't stated as being censored before it was solicited (and some non-refundable purchases were made) this might actually carry some weight. The problem lies with the criteria of:
I think the problem would come from the fact that the fans might not count because we didn't directly buy it from the company. Due to matters of distribution, we might not be able to say anything about the original company. In otherwords, it would probably have to be comic book stores etc. who would have to register the complaints. I could be wrong in this of course, but it does lead me to be concerned. Besides, CMX may have covered themselves when they solicited Volume two of the TenTen manga as being censored. Either way, this has gotten way off topic. 
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