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Charred Knight
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:12 pm
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Their going to make Cybuster 2, and Geneon's going to come back and massively overpay for it only to watch is sell less than 100 units of sales.
Or their actually going to make an adaptation of the second OG game.
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Megiddo
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:06 pm
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Correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't the game series only really popular because it features some of the most famous mecha ever in Japan: Evangelion, Gundam, Macross, Getter Robo, Nadesico, Mazinger Z, etc?
I think any SRW anime that only focuses on the "original" mecha is going to fail horribly, as most are fans of the mecha with already established franchises. I mean, if they can make a game with Unit 01 fighting Ideon for instance, why not make an anime featuring such fights? It'd be sure to sell for fanboys and even casual fans could probably get into it.
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edzieba
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:13 pm
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Megiddo wrote: | Correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't the game only really popular because it features some of the most famous mecha ever in Japan: Evangelion, Gundam, Macross, Getter Robo, Nadesico, Mazinger Z, etc? |
The OG games are just as popular as the 'regular' games, enough so to spawn two GBA games, a PS2 port/remake, a PS2 sequel, and two DS spin-off games (Endless Frontier). Hardly the sign of an unpopular series.
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Mytopia
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:17 pm
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Megiddo wrote: | Correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't the game series only really popular because it features some of the most famous mecha ever in Japan: Evangelion, Gundam, Macross, Getter Robo, Nadesico, Mazinger Z, etc?
I think any SRW anime that only focuses on the "original" mecha is going to fail horribly, as most are fans of the mecha with already established franchises. I mean, if they can make a game with Unit 01 fighting Ideon for instance, why not make an anime featuring such fights? It'd be sure to sell for fanboys and even casual fans could probably get into it. |
You are very mistaken indeed; Super Robot Wars' original series are as "established" as any of the series that you have mentioned. Believe it or not, but games are as mainstream (or moreso) than anime in Japan.
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Megiddo
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:44 pm
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I don't think I ever said anything as stupid as anime being more mainstream than games in Japan, but thank you for that simple statement.
How then, did the Original Generation SRW OVA sell in Japan? How did the TV series sell in Japan?
Do you honestly believe that they sold more than a possible project featuring all the renowned mecha franchises?
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Charred Knight
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:05 pm
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Would an OG anime sell more than an anime with say Evangelion, Mazinger, Zeta, Getter, and Gundam Seed Destiny?
No, but I can't imagine the how that anime could be made due to the massive liscensing cost.
As I already stated I am hoping this is OG 2, hopefully a 52 episode series as I don't think OG 2 could be done in 26 episodes.
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Shale
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:09 pm
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If they do OG2, I hope they pare down the storyline a lot, because quick-cutting between four different stories (The Shadow Mirror, the Einst, the SRW3 villains whose name I forget, and the disparate Alpha 2/Gaiden plot threads) was bad enough in a game before you try to shoehorn it into a TV series and still maintain any kind of pacing at all.
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RedLeader
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:48 pm
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Megiddo wrote: | I don't think I ever said anything as stupid as anime being more mainstream than games in Japan, but thank you for that simple statement.
How then, did the Original Generation SRW OVA sell in Japan? How did the TV series sell in Japan?
Do you honestly believe that they sold more than a possible project featuring all the renowned mecha franchises? |
What difference does it make how much it sold? It obviously sold well enough that they're doing it AGAIN.
And on top of that, while, yes, SRW started out as just a licensed game, starting with SRW2 on the NES, they began creating original robots, characters, and story to help buttress the various different universes into one somewhat cohesive storyline. And that first collection of characters, story, and robots was what is now referred to Elemental Lord Cybuster. However, despite being the main thrust of the story in 2 and helping support it in 3, in 4, they introduced the idea of the Protagonist. A character whom represented the player and could be chosen from a group and even named who had their own story to tell on top of the licensed shows. Eventually, they took a stab at doing an original game with Lord of the Elemental for the SNES which at least told the whole backstory of the Cybuster characters. Then they went back to making the licensed games but adding more and more original characters until they had enough to do a whole game with just them and so Original Generation was born.
As had been said before, there's already several games in the line and anime plus merchandising (like any licensed robots, you better BELIEVE SRW originals get kits too and high quality ones at that!) so the concept is already proven, especially to Banpresto who wouldn't waste their time if it wasn't profitable, so really, there's no need to be so skeptical. :p
Now, back to the main subject at hand... All I can say is... YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope it's going to cover OG2! I also hope it's going to be LONGER than Divine Wars caused they had too few episodes and pacing problems (very slow with a super rushed ending). I also hope they're going to dig more into Shadow Mirror's world because they keep hinting Shadow Mirror comes from SRW64 but I'd like to see something more direct.. Like proof that Axel Almer IS in fact Brad Skywind and how they got their hands on the Earthgaine and Suimarg considering they were unique units. I also wonder, if the Dr. Hammell in the OG world is related to Manami on the other side... >_>
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I really need to translate 64's script one of these days... ^^;
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Megiddo
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:01 pm
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Charred Knight wrote: |
No, but I can't imagine the how that anime could be made due to the massive liscensing cost. |
See, I don't even know how the game was made with all the huge titles they have, but if they can make a game, why not an anime?
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Charred Knight
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:36 am
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Megiddo wrote: |
Charred Knight wrote: |
No, but I can't imagine the how that anime could be made due to the massive liscensing cost. |
See, I don't even know how the game was made with all the huge titles they have, but if they can make a game, why not an anime? |
Sales are not as large as video games, you can't export the series so you can't just say "liscensing will handle some of the cost", you need constant approval from the various companies you liscensed the mechs from (one of the biggest problems) it would be a massive pain in the ass to voice act (the console games have massive numbers of series) and some of the voice actors are dead (Bright Noah just uses the same sound bites from previous series).
Now presumably the Obari being talked about is Masami Obari so his either referring to the fact that Obari redesigned the Compatible Kaiser, or his a staff (hopefully as Animation director and not Director)
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RedLeader
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:09 am
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It was made with a little something called... WRITING!! Plus ample suspensions of disbelief. But only in SRW will you have Axis falling to Earth with Devil Gundam having absorbed it, Dr. Hell working in concert with the Mechasaur Empire and the Zabi Family, NOT have Camille's brain fried by Scirrocco because you let Grendizer deal the killing blow to The O, and have the Go Lion Team and the Gutsy Geoid Guard getting chummy cause they both use mecha lions. :p Yes, the One Year Wars happens at the EXACT same time as the Titans War AND the F-91 war AND there's several alien invasions going on at the same time! Plus usually some evil group working through the bad guys or something. The good guys of Earth MUST gather their strengths to fight as one! Of course, seeing as none of these particular games are in English, I can't tell you how well that actually works, but the game play is fun and the battles usually awesome to watch. The OG games DO mix the different original lores quite well, though. The series as a whole is a nicely done Strategy/RPG that generally improves with every outing which is part of why they're so popular. Unlike other licensed games which usually fail in many horrible ways SRW has a consistently good and reliable track record.
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Shale
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:34 am
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I'm pretty sure Megiddo was talking about the insane cost of licensing so many popular series. That happened little by little - the first game only had three franchises, two (Getter and Mazinger) with the same owner. From there, it grew as the games' sales proved that the licensing fees were worthy investments. It probably also helps that game-driven interest in the featured titles can be worth enough to the rights-holders that it might be a good idea not to charge exorbitant licensing fees.
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Bruce91
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:08 am
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add Apotheosized ialdabaoth in the show and i will buy the blue-ray/dvd.
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