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dormcat
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cardcaptormanda
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CLAMP ("person" #5765) and CLAMP (company #47) are the same group, but under two different entries.
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dormcat
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It's about time and it finally happens: after nine pages of replies, people begin to submit duplicates that have been submitted but not yet dealt with. (sigh) 
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cookie
Former ANN Editor in Chief
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Well, of course. And, in this particular instance, we can't merge people and companies; they're not exactly compatible with one another. :p The best we can do is decide whether CLAMP is a person or a company, and then remove everything that the erroneous CLAMP is listed under and place it under the proper CLAMP instead. OT: Heh. If we wanted, we could use the internal designation CCLAMP (for company CLAMP) and CLAMPP (CLAMP Person).. :) |
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EmperorBrandon
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I say CLAMP should probably be a person. They're a group of people, not really a company (as far as I know. I'm not completely knowledgable about CLAMP). There seems to be a precedent with groups being entered under "People" section, such as singing groups for OP's and ED's.
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Dan42
Chief Encyclopedist
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Or maybe we could merge all persons and companies under the designation "entity"
Seriously though, I have no idea if clamp should be considered as a person or a company. It's true that the encyclopedia contains band names (like two-mix) as if they were a "person". But the company producing two-mix is (I believe) Warner Music Japan, not two-mix themselves; so it's pretty clear that you can't consider two-mix to be a "company". And that is pretty much how the whole Japanese music industry works. But with clamp it's another story. Unless I've misunderstood the whole thing, they are both a group (4 female manga artists) and a company (a commercial entity that sells stuff)... and I'm not sure where is the boundary between the two (or if there is any). |
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dormcat
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Since we have "omnibus" for anime and manga, is it technically feasible to open a subcategory for "People" named "group artists" or something similar? Take CLAMP as an example: Nanase Ohkawa is often singled out and take credits like story or screenplay. If CLAMP is an omnibus entry, we can include individual artists (currently four) under its wing. There are many similar cases for music bands.
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Tempest
 I Run this place.ANN Publisher  Posts: 10455 Location: Do not message me for support. |
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Actually, I meant to bring that up at some point. I think we should have a new entity type caleld "group." Groups would be listed under "people," and "staff." The "group" page would contain a list of its members (past & present) and other relevant information. Thoughts? |
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dormcat
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Totally agree, but this would be something huge. Take your time.
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chris keck
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Tempest,
I think you're making this much more complicated than it needs to be. A "company" is just a "group" of "people" who work together for some goal (which usually involves making money). It doesn't matter if it's a relatively small group like CLAMP or a large company. I suggest you list CLAMP as a company and the individual members of CLAMP (at least the ones that count, not the OL's and such) as people. chris keck |
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chris keck
Posts: 96 Location: Rhode Island, U.S. |
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A bit more thought. Since some companies are more associated with certain people, such as Studio Ghibli and Takahata and Miyazaki, you could make links from the company page to the individual people pages. On the CLAMP page you already have information on who the members are,
Note: There is an Encyclopedia entry for Mokona Apapa (602) and one for CLAMP Mokona Apapa (13687). Alternateively, If you wanted to be able list everyone associated with a certain company you could add a Staff field to the company page and the members could add staff names. Then your database should automatically link them. chris keck |
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Sarki-Kun
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I either completly agree. I guess it would be perfect for all those J-Music groups who doesn't appear at the Encyclopedia, as there's no way to put them. I was requesting that at another topic (already locked).
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
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Unfortunately, current Companies database has only three types of information: Official Website, Foundation Date, and Anime Involved. Unless ANN Staffs overhaul the structure of Companies database and enhance it to become as capable as Anime/Manga/People, I don't think the Companies database is suitable for group artists. Below are additional information for Companies I can think about now: Staff members (in addition to doujinshi circle-turned-companies like CLAMP, many seiyuu formed their own agent companies, and you could see their names as chairpersons) Kanji name Alternative title (such as an abbreviation/acronym or full name, e.g. Toshiba was originally named Tokyo Shibaura Denki (東京芝浦電気)) Address Telephone Company logo Chronology (merge, name change, location change, etc.) Links with related companies/people Defunct date  Well, sh*t happens.
By the way, having so many "XXX Production Committee" in Companies database is useless, IMO. Those "committees" are for single project only. |
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chris keck
Posts: 96 Location: Rhode Island, U.S. |
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Dormcat,
You aren't completely correct,
One problem with the current system is that on the Encyclopedia pages all companies are listed in the "Companies" section and single contributors are listed as "Staff". I think it would make more sense to limit the Companies listing to only those companies that have some ownership of the title; producer, distributor, etc. Then list both individual staff and other companies that worked on the title together in a single "Contributors" listing. One problem I can see with a "group" entry is what do you do for people who have credits both as part of the group and on their own? Are you going to list all of their information once on the group page and a second time on their individual page? chris keck |
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
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That will add 10x workload to Staffs and will take *cough* forever to be approved, according to my experience for submitting numerous "Other Information" for anime/manga/people. Don't want to blame the Staffs, but having to-do lists so long it is impossible for them to complete verifying Other Information quickly.
IMHO following patterns of "Omnibus" in anime or "Magazines" in manga would be fine. |
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