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Originally sent to dormcat, but posted here per Dan's request.

I noticed that Nintama Rantaro lacked the Romaji and English for the B portion of the episode, so I started adding those.

However, at 38 I noticed that they had only done an A and B, while there was actually a C; they had used C's info on B and left B out entirely. This led me to inspecting everything further and realizing that except for episode 1, all of the English and Romaji are entirely incorrect.

I was using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintama_Rantarō_episodes (the URL tag can't handle some characters, apparently) Wikipedia's episode list as the source, so in order to be sure I was correct I used the Kanji that was provided on ANN's Nintama page (which does match Wikipedia) and the Kanji on the official site and used the Kanji converter you suggested to me. The result being that Wikipedia is correct.

I checked their sources, and found that the source no longer exists; however, by reading the URL I am certain it was a person's personal list and not anything official.

For episodes 2-292 (inclusive), the English and Romaji is incorrect (excluding anything I added, of course).

Now to move on to the next problem...

Episode 293 should be episode 6 of the 4th season:

Seeason: Episode range (total number)
Season 1: 1-47 (47)
Season 2: 48-167) (120)
Season 3: 168-287 (120)
Season 4: 288-407 (120)

According to the official site: episode 6 would have aired on April 8th, 1996. 293, according to ANN, says April 7th of 2003. So I began searching the official site for the title and found it...in season 11. It is the first episode of the 11th series.

Episodes 293-372 are (roughly) the correct titles for episode 11. However, that's when things get messy again. Episode 373-450 are (roughly) the the correct titles for episode 1-78 (out of 80) for season 9. Episode 79 of season 9's Kanji is nowhere to be found on ANN; episode 80's is at 377 (which should be episode 5 of season 9). This brings up why I've been adding "roughly" to whether those are the correct titles: as I mentioned, season 9 wasn't quite accurate; I don't know what else isn't accurate within those.

After not being able to find the title of episode 451 in any of the 19 seasons on the official site I gave up searching. I believe at this point I've presented enough problems to give you an idea of the shape that page is in.

The source the person from episode 293 on used is the same official source I'm using; it only lists the Kanji from what I can see, so I'm assuming this person was knowledgeable enough to translate the Kanji to English themselves (unless their translation is wrong).

[added link to the show - Shiroi]

It's really annoying that the info is partially good, but too mixed up to make sense of. So yeah it would be easier to start from scratch. But this whole thing brings up a bigger issue: the official site has series 1-19 with the episode count restarting at 1 for each. So by Encyclopedia standards that means we should split Nintama Rintaro into 19 sub-series and submit episodes separately for each. Although I don't think we've ever done something like that before.

Dan42 wrote:

But this whole thing brings up a bigger issue: the official site has series 1-19 with the episode count restarting at 1 for each. So by Encyclopedia standards that means we should split Nintama Rintaro into 19 sub-series and submit episodes separately for each. Although I don't think we've ever done something like that before.

Which was the next thing to be brought up. I've seen such animes to have their episode list have two running numbers: current episode in the series and current episode in the season. This particular anime does not have that on the official site, but I've seen it handled that way on other sites for other animes. I've also seen a few animes on ANN that do restarted their episode count each season but were continued on ANN on the same episode list.

I think our rule of thumb should be that unless the season has a new name, different plot, or other important changes, that it should just be one episode list.

Code Geass is an example in which it's important to have the season on different pages: different name, plot, and so forth.

Kaiketsu Zorori is an example in which someone had already entered the episodes as one continuous list, even though all three seasons start the numbering over. I added information to the episode list following their scheme (I was not the first person to number it that way on ANN). The second season does have an addition to its name, but I don't really know enough about the anime to determine if it needs split.
However, season 2 and 3 are grouped together, even though their episode counts start over. So despite both having the same name, they start over (similar to Nintama Rintaro). I don't find it important enough to start splitting all of these pages so that anyone interested has to go to 19 pages (literally for Rintaro) to view the episodes.

The best solution would be if a new column was added for what episode number it is in the season versus the entirety of the series.

Using Nintama as an example: episode 1 of season 2 is episode 48 in the entire series.

The input for the English name would be something like: 48. 1. Title
While the Japanese title would be: 48. 1. JP: Title
That is the simplest solution, since you would still be able to rely on that series number for chronological placement.
Then the actual episode list would have two columns of numbers: position in the entirety of the anime, followed by the number in that season.

What Rhyono describes (total episode number and season/episode number) is what Wikipedia basically already does for many American television shows. E.g., Blue Bloods.

Any opinion on how to handle Nintama, Dan?

I've taken another look at this.

Since the wacked-up info was all entered by the same person, I disabled all of it and then cross-checked it with the data on the official site. At first it seems like the data was mostly correct except the episode numbers had the wrong offset. So I changed (and re-enabled) series #11 from 293-372 to 888-967. Then I tried doing the same for series #1 but some of the episodes were out of order, making it time-consuming to fix. Then as I tried fixing the other series I realized many episodes were out of order, or missing, or had the wrong date when compared with the official site. In the end the only other series I was able to convert was #12 (from 543-622 to 968-1047).

It would have been nice to salvage the other episodes since they include an english translation and the current official site does not... oh well :-/

If/when someone wants to submit the other episodes, the episode numbers for each series are as follow:

series	nb.eps	ep#
1	1-47	1-47
2	1-120	48-167
3	1-120	168-287
4	1-120	288-407
5	1-100	408-507
6	1-60	508-567
7	1-80	568-647
8	1-80	648-727
9	1-80	728-807
10	1-80	808-887
11	1-80	888-967
12	1-80	968-1047
13	1-56	1048-1103
14	1-50	1104-1153
15	1-50	1154-1203
16	1-100	1204-1303
17	1-90	1304-1393
18	1-90	1394-1483
19	1-90	1484-1573

BUT... the episodes currently listed for ending themes don't always match that pattern. For example ED #13 is marked as "eps 569-648" whereas series #7 contains 568-647. Off by one. Something looks fishy.

I haven't yet split Nintama into 20 sub-series, but given that http://wiki.livedoor.jp/radioi_34/ has separate pages for each series, I'm strongly inclined to do that. Entering all those credits in one page would be too messy. (Reminder: different credits are our primary rule of thumb for when to split series.) I would create "Nintama Rantaro (TV 1)" to "Nintama Rantaro (TV 20)" and make them "part of" the greater "Nintama Rantaro (TV)"

I like the idea of per-season in addition to the per-series episodes numbers. I'll see if it's easy to implement, but that's not guaranteed (the episode list evolved rather hackily and messily).

If you do go with the notion of splitting it into 20 sub series: I can get on adding all of the Japanese titles once you're done.

I remembered something, just checked, and found that I reported that this series' entry was a problem in 2006. Anime smallmouth + sweatdrop

A Wayback Machine version of the site I provided in that post:

http://web.archive.org/web/20041025005938/http://users.ev1.net/~jcaliff/rantarou/

At least if this gets fixed, it will be one less item on my list.

Nintama's official site only gives date ranges for each part of a season. I've written a program to calculate the dates based on this information. However, as early as episode 31-40 of season 1 I found that the lack of information still causes problems.

My program suggests November 6th through January 8th, while the official source ends it on January 15th. I'm assuming that missing week is the result of episode 38 being pushed back due to Christmas day.

So I looked at Wikipedia and it shows 30 and 31 airing on the same day (this conflicts with the official source; 31 has to be November 6th) and shows 39 airing on Xmas, with 40 being pushed back to Jan 15th.

Apart from the official source, do we have any reliable sources that have information from 19 years ago?

A decent number of the episodes in the seasons afterwards have their dates accessible, so it shouldn't become too much of an issue.

It appears that season 2 has multiple out of order episodes, but I've finished with those dates without a real problem. Nintama is really doing its best to be difficult to document.

I have the dates and titles from the official source formatted.

There were some areas where dates weren't provided, in those areas I used my program to calculate the dates. If I didn't deem the dates to be at least 80% probable: I left them out.

Here's the list of episodes I could not determine dates for:

Season 1: 32-39
Season 1: 42-46
Season 3: 62-69
Season 5: 62-65

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Apart from the official source, do we have any reliable sources that have information from 19 years ago?

Newtype Japan has a section at the back with TV listings. It's been in print since 1985 but I don't know if that section has always been there and the earliest copy I have is from 1999 (although "Nihonjoe" on Wikipedia has some earlier ones)

Ok, I'm done creating sub-series 1-20 for Nintama Rintaro, and I also added the episodes.

Honestly, this kind of structure is what I would like to see for all long series. The "overall" series can contain overall info and ratings, and the sub-series can contain detailed credits and info without overwhelming the overall series page.

For what it's worth, I have the most current version of the site cited at http://www.jcaliff.net/rantarou/index.htm (which hasn't been updated in years and I need to kill the webring link). The list of episodes on that site are strictly from the vhs video releases, and aren't necessarily in the original airdate order. In fact I can practically guarantee that they aren't in the original order. I have the videos listed by code. There were three sets of vhs tapes of television episodes released in Japan. The titles "shin nintama rantaro" and "anime nintama rantaro" strictly refer to the titles of individual video tape set releases (this is pre-dvd) and not the anime itself. It's not like Ranma 1/2 where there was the first season and then Ranma 1/2 Nettouhen - all of Nintama is officially referred by the title Nintama Rantaro. There is, however, a difference in the episode length and format between the first season and later seasons (half hour 2-story episode vs. 10 minute daily episodes). I do have the four dvd boxes of the first season episodes as well, and I think they may actually have an official list of airdates in them. I'll check later tonight.

okay, obviously I haven't typed any of this up yet, but hopefully it'll help you. In DVD box 2 and 4 they included a list of episodes by air date. It's in Japanese of course, but I went ahead and scanned the lists for you guys to help out.

http://www.jcaliff.net/share/ann/Box1-2_1-14.jpg

http://www.jcaliff.net/share/ann/Box3-4_1-120.jpg

These are huge files (about 2.5MB each) because I scanned them so you could read them.

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