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NEWS: The Anime Network in Trouble?

I know it's definitely going to be better than anime network. I just got back from Asia and I watched Animax from overthere and it makes Anime network look completely lame!!! I hope that comcast launches Animax and I can't wait for it to come to America so that everyone can see how great it is!!!!

Oh excuse me, an HONORS class! Well well! I took HONORS Economics a million years ago when I was in high school, does that make me an expert? Uh, no!

Anyway your allegory doesn't work. If Ben & Jerry's has a flavor they've had around forever and suddenly stops selling, and they discount it, THAT is a valid allegory to what happened with Nadesico. You aren't even arguing the same situation, you're coming up with something totally tangental because you're thinking about it WRONG. ADV releasing a budget comp of Nadesico IS NOT GENEROSITY. Unfortunately you live under this absolutely crazy notion and no amount of sense talking will get you to see reason so forget it. Next time I have some stale bread and mark it down to 99 cents, feel free to laud me as a Saint for being so generous and kind to you.

As for the Loki thing you're operating on a double standard. I guarantee you ADV knew what they were buying. Nobody's that ignorant about what they're paying millions of dollars for. They knew what they had, they knew what it was worth, they knew how they could sell it. But people like you will forgive just about anything, eh, because the company was started by fans. Whatever.

And I questioned the meaning of your sentence because your grammar is so absolutely atrocious that I could barely make sense of what you were trying to say. Read your stuff aloud to yourself next time before posting it and see if it flows or sounds right; most of your writing is awkward like a high schooler at a frat party. Hell, read what you just wrote. "Sprouting" opinions. Classic.

the_soultaker wrote:

there's no edits in Japan, as far as i know.

Actually, there are. I know people think of Japan as being some sort of desensitized culture, but that's not the case at all. Violence, blood shed, and sexual conduct all of a time and place in Japan, and not all of it goes on TV. How do you think "Special Editions" come about? They don't just pull those cut and edited scenes out of thin air. It's not entirely uncommon for a show to be released with more animation when it comes to DVD in Japan. It's happened in the past with Evangelion and it's happened just recently with Gantz.

Emerje

Why don't we go for the real underdogs, AnimeNation, even CPM, Manga Ent. Oh, because they didn't have the money to license as many titles as ADV? ADV is huge now.

If we have another television network that specializes in anime, I say GREAT. Why not? I don't want to be stuck with just ADV. If you lose TAN on comcast, go to satellite.

I can't believe they're actually scared..."Oh no! We came up with this first! No one else should be allowed to do it!" That's the message I get, and "It Stinks."

I live in one of those Big cities (LA) that have alot of anime shops,

So your interpretation of a company re-releasing budget titles is a "gift to the fans". ADV had released all of these titles before in single-disc releases (with terrible episode counts for Nadesico) and on VHS. They waited until those weren't selling anymore and then they released them AGAIN in budget-priced collections.

Now they're releasing those shows for a fourth time in their "essential anime" series. It's called "getting the most time" out of a franchise or "milking it until people finally stop buying it".

By your logic, the big cuddly lovable fan-oriented company 20th Century Fox delivered a "gift to its fans" when they re-priced Moulin Rouge at 9.99 (or any one of countless other films rereleased for less money by any major studio).

Just like Disney had a huge hand in the building of the animation industry. I don't then interpret everything Disney does as some benevolent gesture to its many fans done not in the interest of profit but in the interest of goodwill.

Here's the problem, people: those of us who are upset at this press release, those of us who won't support this, aren't mad because we "hate ADV". I have many of their titles, they do good work. But this press release is excessive in its pandering: it assumes that we as anime fans would ONLY want The Anime Network and wouldn't even want to even LOOK at what Comcast is offering, so please loyal fans UNITE for ADV and call comcast and tell them YOU DON'T WANT A CHOICE! You want ADV's product and THAT'S IT.

Could you see this same press release coming out about Bandai? "Bandai thinks they can just release any old anime and you'll eat it up! Call Bandai and tell them to stop releasing anime right now! UNITE!"

So you honestly think that they are purposefully losing money on something "for the fans". You honestly interpret them marking something down - something very well past it's prime, something where the original (overpriced with low episode counts) DVDs weren't moving anymore - as some kind of benevolent gesture. The point is that the reason anyone marks anything down is to move more copies.

Also, to wit, aren't you the one who complained a whole lot about ADV releasing Loki Ragnarok and Peacemaker manga that was halfway through the series' run? So what was that then, some benevolent decision made to please the fans, or a cash grab tie-in that was convenient for them? They released Peacemaker Kurogane to go along with the anime series, even though the manga made little to no sense at all if you hadn't read the first, what, seven volumes that they didn't have the rights to? Yeah, ADV makes decisions all the time 'for the good of the fans', don't they? This was a deliberate release designed to sell more copies of a manga title they KNEW was extremely questionable, something that wouldn't make a heck of a lot of sense to most people, but they did it anyway just because they knew the manga would sell better now if they tied it in to the anime.

I took HONORS Economics a million years ago when I was in high school, does that make me an expert? Uh, no!

If Ben & Jerry's has a flavor they've had around forever and suddenly stops selling, and they discount it, THAT is a valid allegory to what happened with Nadesico.

I guarantee you ADV knew what they were buying. Nobody's that ignorant about what they're paying millions of dollars for.

And I questioned the meaning of your sentence because your grammar is so absolutely atrocious that I could barely make sense of what you were trying to say.

Secondly ADV sounds like some cry baby who doesn't know how competition works. Competition spurs on this stuff.

Thirdly what advantage is it for Comcast to even run a linear network of TAN?? No one will watch it except for 2% of die hard anime fans.

And these ADV was the first arguments and other sob stories are crap. Apple Computer was the first in most of our computing needs and practically sunk in the 90s.

Secondly ADV sounds like some cry baby who doesn't know how competition works. Competition spurs on this stuff. If anything if Comcast made a competing network it would only help. It would make them get better shows and ADV better shows.

Thirdly what advantage is it for Comcast to even run a linear network of TAN?? No one will watch it except for 2% of die hard anime fans. I mean lets get serious. There is no money in this and Comcast certainly isnt going to pay ADV to run their network when they wont get anything in return.

And these ADV was the first arguments and other sob stories are crap. Apple Computer was the first in most of our computing needs and practically sunk in the 90s.

Heero: Blue Seed made it possible for tv shows which didn't just revolve around love triangles to find a market here. And Sailor Moon's popularity in the U.S. hasn't even come close to the popularity experienced in Japan. Really, Fushigi Yuugi was the shoujo title which proved there was a market for it, and CCS helped that market grow.

a) Sailor Moon was the first shoujo title to see release on US broadcast TV

b) Sailor Moon was the first shoujo title to be given wide release for manga.

c) Sailor Moon was the first shoujo title to see TOYS on the US market

And no one saw it.Or at least not enough people for DIC to justify moving it to a better time slot like FUNimation with DBZ.

Emerje: Yes, but the point is that DBZ had better ratings in spite of its awful time slots, compared to Sailor Moon, which had awful ratings and bad time slots. Sailor Moon didn't even find an audience here until almost a decade later, and that was after Card Captors.

Actually, it showed up in the States around '94. And it wasn't until 2001 or 2002 that CN even bothered airing the second season of Sailor Moon, because the ratings and dvd sales
of the first season weren't high enough to justify Geneon picking up S. (FY's success is what convinced them to pick up S.) And regardless of the negative reaction to Cardcaptors, the show encouraged enough interest in the uncut versions to justify a market for shoujo.