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MorwenLaicoriel
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3 points: Best First Episode
Because this is definitely the most unique option. 2 points: Biggest Otaku 1 points: Biggest Loser I was going to vote for best mentor, but there'd definitely be a lot of overlap with best supporting character...so it might be better to wait on that one. |
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Tris8
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P€|\||§_|\/|ast@
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Best First Episode: 4pts
Best Leader: 2pts Last edited by P€|\||§_|\/|ast@ on Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:16 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Ggultra2764
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If Best First Episode wins this, consider me jumping ship from any tournament involvement with it. Far too much subjectivity for me to want to hop into and there are far better options that were brought up during earlier discussions that could have worked better for a title-specific tournament.
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P€|\||§_|\/|ast@
Posts: 3498 Location: IN your nightmares |
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j/k 
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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That's fine I guess. But I counter that most of the past tournaments were subjective to a greater or lesser degree, and I don't think that Best First Episode would be more subjective than the norm. In fact, I reckon we could come up with some pretty good criteria without too much effort. If there were better options in your view, why did you not lobby Key directly for their inclusion in the voting stage? And if you feel so strongly against Best First Episode, why did you not spend the effort to convince people otherwise? One post simply saying you don't like the idea . . . it's not as though you really fought hard to stop it. Finally, I notice that you brought up Most Cerebral and Most Thought-Provoking. Yeah, as if those aren't way more subjective than Best First Episode. /sarcasm |
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Ggultra2764
Subscriber Posts: 3991 Location: New York state. |
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Previous character-based tournaments were set up with a narrow field in mind for whatever category was chosen since there's a clear understanding of who could fit into the mold. This sort of tournament doesn't have any clear regulations set up to prevent too many titles from being offered up at once as one person would think a first episode stuck out strongly for them while another wouldn't be so hot on the idea. There are some fans who wouldn't even use the first episode of a series as a memorable aspect to any favorite title they watched or they would need more than one episode to convince them that a title would hook them in. While I might be open to the idea in the future if a more clear definition were established to determine what titles could qualify for this sort of tournament, I don't believe enough is clear to convince me to support running it.
Because at the time ideas were being passed around plus Key and a few others acknowledging they had concerns over how conditions for the tourney would be set up, I assumed the category wasn't surviving the idea phase. Yet look at what is happening right now and I'm dumbfounded a topic this broad is getting considered for a possible tournament.
More narrow topics than fishing through the first episodes of hundreds and possibly thousands of TV, OVA and ONA titles to figure out what first episodes prominently stuck out with anime fans. 
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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Best First Episode may have a massive potential field, however the criteria to judge that field would be far stronger and far clearer than Most Cerebral or Most Thought-Provoking, both of which I see as fairly wishy-washy topics that are way too subjective.
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marie-antoinette
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This is probably no surprise, since I've been saying the same thing after every tournament, but I really think this should be done regardless of which option wins. I think the number of voters who get burnt out by the middle rounds could be helped if the middle rounds didn't take so long, plus the first round has so many options that barely even get noticed before they are out. A field of 64 still offers a lot of different options and if they were filled with stronger contenders from the beginning, I can't see how that would do anything but help the tournament as a whole. And I agree that Best First Episode is no more or less subjective than most of the tournaments that have been held in the past. The Cool/Badass one in particular comes to mind because I think First Episode would be less subjective than that, since as we saw the definition of "cool" is a hard one to pin down. |
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Ggultra2764
Subscriber Posts: 3991 Location: New York state. |
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Care to explain what criteria could be used to judge the numerous first episodes to a series then considering what is memorable would vary between individual viewers who have various different expectations of what they find would be memorable for them. Most Cerebral and Thought-Provoking would speak for themselves in that they would be titles that made you think over the themes and justifications presented by the show and its characters or challenging your perceptions on what you assumed was going on throughout the course of a series and kept you guessing on things for much of the title's run. |
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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I've made a list of character from the Supporting Character tournament that overlap. There may be a couple extra from series I'm not familiar with, but maybe half a dozen more at most: Kisuke Urahara, Bleach Rakushun?, 12 Kingdoms Roy Fokker, Macross (kind of) Maestro Stresemann?, Nodame Cantablie Meme Oshino, Bakemonogatari (stretching) Genkai, Yu Yu Hakusho Professor Itsuki Keizo, Moyashimon Itoko Osakabe, School Rumble (techincally a teacher) Cologne?, Ranma 1/2 (I think she teaches Ranma a technique or two, which makes her technically an option) Ichiro Mihara, Angelic Layer (tenuously) Joun the Beekeeper?, Beast Player Erin Jiraiya, Naruto Miss Yoshinoya, Hidamari Sketch (technically a teacher) Gouzaburou Seto, My Bride is a Mermaid (technically a teacher) Kouichiro "Coach" Ohta?, Gunbuster At most, we're looking at an overlap of 1/4 of a field of 64 mentors, and 1/8 if people fill out a full 128 slot bracket. Several of the characters I listed would likely not make the final cut. Repetition of characters is a trivial concern for a Best Teacher/mentor Tournament. I think we should wait until the nominations phase to decide whether we should go with 64 or 128, regardless of what wins. |
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mow123
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I agree with Ggultra2764's concerns. I am fine with a series based tournament, but we need more define criteria than just best first episode. What would constitute a borderline entry versus an outstanding one? Plus unless if you have precise familiarity with makes it up the first episode of both shows; lines can be blurred further and use of other episodes will be inevitable on an unconscious level.
Biggest Otaku -4 pts TBD - 2 pts I think best leader, best loser, and even teacher/mentor have merit, but I want to see who the frontrunner is before I throw out my last 2 points. I think mentor/teacher is a great idea but we may need to broaden it to Best Mentor/Teacher/Guide/Role-model to get the needed 128 contestants. I am also firmly against changing the format to a smaller pool, and I know many others agree. These tournaments pacing and grand scale make them worth my time and effort. Plus it allows lesser known shows a shot at it too, when with a smaller pool would likely prevent them from even having a chance. |
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Key
Moderator
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Biggest Otaku: 4 points
Best Leader: 2 points Frankly, I find the notion of a Best Teacher/Mentor tournament to be boring as hell, but it's one of three that's virtually neck-and-neck for the lead.
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Dorcas_Aurelia
Posts: 5344 Location: Philly |
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Best First Episode - 4 pts
Best Leader - 2 pts |
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The Naked Beast
 Posts: 1028 Location: A Blue Planet |
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Assuming I have tallied up everything correctly (including my votes), the current standings are: Best Leader: 13 Best Teacher/Mentor: 22 Biggest Otaku: 31 Best Loser: 12 Best First Episode: 28 There are also two (2) unaccounted points from mow123. Biggest Otaku: 4 Best Leader: 2 Post number 900. |
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