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blind_assassin
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And? Go ahead. |
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Steve Berry
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Agreed-- there's no debate in that topic, hentai4me. You're taking all the piss out the discussion.
I don't think there's anything wrong, or more wrong, about sex being illustrated or animated than it is being viewed with real people doing the acts. Obviously, you could even make the argument that hentai doesn't actually depend on actual people having sex, thus negating the need for the porn industry, as well as for people to actual "sin" and do the acts. I think you'd be hardpressed to find any people, atleast on this board, who would somehow think animated-porn somehow especially wrong, who didn't already think porn was a big no-no. You used the word "hentai" originally-- that carries a lot of cultural baggage, and tends to imply all the types of sexually deviant content (rape, incest, and loli) that the specifics of the Japanese animated porn industry entails. If you want to talk about "animated pornography" as some sort of multi-cultural event, then you should've said as much. It seems silly to get annoyed with people who are actually discussing "Why they don't or do like hentai, based on its content", when that can so easily be inferred as the point of the title of this thread. Besides which, none of the earlier posters ever really "fessed up" to the loli tendencies of hentai, re: my original post. Finally, hentai4me, you said you wanted to stick to the "main topic", but as you also began discussing morality re: porn, I have my retort-- To say that "morality" re: the culturally sexually deviant acts typical to hentai has no relevance to whether or not it should be watched just doesn't make sense. Of course there are wide variances in what is considered moral by different cultures, but it's a generally accepted cultural norm of Modern "Western" culture and Japanese culture as well that rape, incest, and sex with people who are very very young is a no-no. I'd dare to say it was world wide, but I can't say that as a fact. Whatever the case, it's definitely the truth for the intended audience of hentai. You can bring up all the arguments you want about the special cases where incest was or is culturally acceptable, or how different countries define pedophilia at different ages, all of which are true-- still, even so, in the vast vast array of examples available-- these things are generally not acceptable. Are you somehow saying that they are acceptable in the US, Europe, or Japan? If so, where?? It's just not true. There _is_ a basic cultural agreement re: morality on these issues in the places intended to view hentai material. If that was your argument though, atleast I feel like there would be a discussion, but to imply that "morality" is somehow not part of how we judge things on a wider cultural level just isn't true. If you wanted to say that part of what makes porn that deals in these sorts of acts sexy is the fact that it's breaking taboos that you would never break normally-- then I would say there would be some discussion, because you would be talking about what "the point" of pornography is (how it works as a sexual turn on, and why we watch it), rather than denying the fact that it gets people hot blooded specifically because it is breaking those taboos that are generally agreed on. See-- morality is absolutely critical to the discussion of porn, because it exactly the fact that we do generally agree on certain moral concepts that makes porn exciting and sexually provocative. Porn that deals with these sorts of "deviant" acts (like a lot of hentai does) works specifically because it breaks those culturally agreed upon norms. Denying that is just odd-- it's why these things are erotic, to those who find them erotic. Now, there are others who simply find these things disgusting, and for them what they consider "taboo" and yet somehow breakable is still acceptable as porn-- say, having an illicit affair as the topic. But the principle of taboo-->breaking taboo= sexually provocative still works the same. So yes, to me, it seems pretty straightforward to say that morality really is a critical part of almost any discussion of porn. Last edited by Steve Berry on Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:22 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Steve Berry
Posts: 522 Location: San Francisco Bay Area, CA |
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Azathrael, it just seems like a blatant attempt to really get him angry. I'd just PM him, if you've got such an issue that you have to express how annoyed you are in the forum, without actually trying to re-explain your arguement.
Just my two cents. I'd hate to see the thread veer off into actual personal nastiness between you two. 
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blind_assassin
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I'm not going to go further into debating him since that one post proves me point entirely. No effort to explain, just stating himself as correct and repeating the same thing.
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naruto fan 09812
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Is this bazarrio land where people actually think there nothing wrong with hentai and actually support it? This is a freaking joke how people on this site actually support hentai which is by the way rapist approved and the author of the hentai is only in it for a quick buck. Just keep watching your hentai hentai4me and I will stick with my shounen which is rape free.
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omar235
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Not all shounen are rape free it's just not as graphic about it, theres also sextual content in it shounen...sorry I just had to point that out, course this is only in the mature shounen (not sure if you watch stuff like Basilisk or Berserk, which are both extreamly good shows which you should watch  ). Well porn is supported so why not hentai, is it really that shocking? Though people on this site support it you will find on any anime site hentai has its support.
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Steve Berry
Posts: 522 Location: San Francisco Bay Area, CA |
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Ah-- now there's the sort of person to ask the question of-- "Is animated porn, i.e. hentai, worse than porn with real people in it?" I'd be curious to know....
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Samurai-with-glasses
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Consider the fact that Japan has a massive and exploitive sex industry involving real, human girls and a serious attempt to circumvent every law the Japanese Government tries to put against it, I'm actually would be quite pleased if the growth of hentai would reduce the need or the size of that massive real-life sex industry. That possibility -- that more hentai would take away some of the "market share" -- is extremely low and quite naive, not to mention not exactly a logical conclusion, though. And, people, please. If you're going to scream how pathetic another person it, puke in disgust at things instead of discuss and debate, or express your pretentious superiority over the foolish masses...shut up. I don't even watch hentai, but I'm already quite offended with some's attitudes in this thread. BTW, Daxomni: you're in Bangkok!? 
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omar235
Posts: 1572 Location: Florida, Jacksonvile |
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In the sense that real people are used in real porn I would say that what happens in those have more effect. I wouldn't say that hentai is worse then porn since the only thing that hasn't been done in porn is tenticle rape...I think. I mean there are some pretty dirty and degrating porn out there, so I'd say they are about equal. The only reason someone would consider you weird for liking hentai is probably for the extream loli (girls 12 years old and below) parts, and the fact that many still think that anyone who likes anime is weird.
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Cloe
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The intended effect is about the same, I'd say. Video pornography offers an escapist fantasy to its viewers for stimulation, and this is also the aim of hentai. Whether a photograph of people having sex or a drawing of people having sex, one is still watching a representation of an erotic experience. And I agree with omar; they can both be equally degrading (especially to the animators of the latter! Boy, do I feel sorry for the young animator on a fixed income who has to draw hundreds of genitalia all day... ). |
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Steve Berry
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Didn't mean to imply that I thought either-- in fact, I don't. They were meant to be arguments that others might use, or opinions that others might have. I was simply curious what the person thought re: the question. As for pompous opinions or whatnot in this thread-- I can't tell if you mean me or others, or whatever, but without quoting anyone, it's a very vague statement to make on your part. Who do you have issues with? And what did they say that you disagreed with? Coming along and just saying "you're offended by some attitudes here" and not give any examples is sorta odd to me. I mean, be offended. It's cool. Honestly. But it doesn't mean much to conversation if you don't explain why. |
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Samurai-with-glasses
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As of not mentioning specifics. Let's just say it's for courtesy's sake. Assault a person directly and he or she will respond; a flamewar I don't intend to start; Tony's bothered enough, apparently, considering his edited post somewhere earlier. I mean, if a person hates Hentai or thinks it might cause crime or whatever, and presents his or her arguments in a logical and relatively courteous manner, I don't see why that would be a problem. When one goes around insulting others and "digitally puking" and all that tantrum affair, however, I'm annoyed. When it's repeated constantly in a thread... I then express my annoyance. There's a little more to it, but whatever.
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Steve Berry
Posts: 522 Location: San Francisco Bay Area, CA |
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Groovy. No prob.
BTW, love the lil' Christmas holly no your sig, Close. Cute.
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daxomni
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I was on holiday in Krung Thep all last week escaping a cold front here in South Texas. I guess I should update my location again now that I'm back this week, but I need to think up something more amusing than just another Anycity, Texas entry. Where did all these Texan fans come from anyway? Sometimes the board seems like it's nothing but Texans and Californians running the show.
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selenta
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... and you seem to believe this... Well darn, I had a scathing reply all ready, but I guess I don't need to anymore, you do a better job than anything I could say. |
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