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Monster in a box



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:51 pm Reply with quote
The King of Harts wrote:
Monster in a box wrote:
The King of Harts wrote:
I do have the Sailor Moon singles after all. In my book: editing material =/= making a show inferior.


Uhhh, didn't those remove entire episodes, or was that just on cable. Because going by the ANN episode guide, the Toonami version was missing some pretty great episodes, never mind my opinion on the dub.

Oh yea. Episodes removed, names changed, figure lines removed during transformations, attack name changes, different OP and the Japanese-ness of the show is completely removed. The whole nine yards. I love every second of it, too.


Perhaps you can elaborate on your stance in a way that might be able to get me to understand it.
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ikillchicken



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:52 pm Reply with quote
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And I simply hate people who are apparently too clueless to realize that just because you can't predict with absolute certainty, you can recognize what will in all likelihood happen. You do this too. Every time you do anything. It's the most basic process of how people make decisions.

Every time I do anything? Even when I'm going to pee? Are you serious?


Well...If you want to be pedantic about it then yes. Unless I'm speaking with a certain big blue atomic fellow, you don't know absolutely for certain what will happen. You have to rely on what you expect to happen. With simple day to day matters you can come to a vastly more frequently reliable conclusion but the basic process is still the same.

egoist wrote:
I never said this would turn into a major profit. But I did call for those who are saying that this is a bad move, as if they knew the future. Your statement falls flat since I wasn't talking about those who are saying that this may be a bad move.


Well then you're just pointlessly nitpicking. A bad idea doesn't have to guarantee a bad result. It's bad even if it just is likely to have a bad result. That's what people mean when they say this is a bad move. Is it possible this could be some kind of huge hit and totally justify the bad PR and potential lost sales on other titles? Yeah, it's not impossible. Is it a whole lot more likely that this will not happen though? Yeah, I'd say so. Hence, it seems like a bad decision to me.

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There's no reasoning with you people. If your reasoning has abandoned you, so did your ideals, and any interest I could have in discussing anything with you. Have a very tasty afternoon, gentleman.


And yet you keep posting.
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rinkwolf10



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:57 pm Reply with quote
Stmurda23 wrote:
Rinkwolf wrote:
Stmurda23 wrote:
i still don't understand how a animated show can affect some ones morel judgment?! it's just not possible, you have to be real stupid and retarded to become a rapist/pedophile because you saw it in a show, there for cencorship is retarded ( or for the retarded) and im sure the majority of us here are not retarded.


Not to disagree with you but the show your avatar is from really did a number here in the us. I mean kids made "Death Notes" in real life and tried to use them. That is one way that anime can affects people.



HOLD ON!!!! you actually believe that people are going to die from a man made/ hand made deaTH note? seriously no harm was done there just like no harm is done here!!!!!


WoW. Okay, just to clarify. You said that anime doesn't have the affect to make people repeat what they saw in the anime in real life and I brought the example of Death Note and now little kids made them and they tried to mimic the show and right names of people they disliked. That is all I said.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:58 pm Reply with quote
MokonaModoki wrote:
Are you just being deliberately obtuse, or did you really fail to grasp that the words describe material which is specifically legally NOT child pornography?

Even though I deliberately did, would you be able to confirm that it's obscene not because of its connections to child pornography, but because of something else, would you? Obscenity could be found in many things, including your average porn film, so why aren't those illegal as well? Clearly, that's the government's way of calling that child pornography while giving the population a nice dribble?

ikillchicken wrote:
And yet you keep posting.

I might just quote myself from somewhere else:
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I won't go away at all! The more you dislike me, the more you'll see me around. Everything works the other way round with me, everything. I mean, just look at that thread we're posting at. Man, it's filled with ignorance; I just love to deal with ignorance.

I certainly do!

But I wouldn't nitpick if we didn't have half posters saying absolutely the same. I certainly wouldn't.
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Tuor_of_Gondolin



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:06 am Reply with quote
Rinkwolf,

Then the answer is to make it a Mature rated title so that impressionable young children should not be watching it. The title isn't aimed at young children; of course, I don't think Death Note was aimed at young children, either.

But, among adults at least, people are responsible for their own actions. It doesn't matter whether or not they were influence by anime, by their parents, or by tea leaves: if someone molests a child, *they* are to blame, and they should be punished accordingly. I'm generalizing, but I think you get what I'm saying.
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bayoab



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:09 am Reply with quote
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Lastly, the Japanese broadcast was also censored, yet you people watched it? WTF? What's going on?
The editing that was done was to remove the nipples since you cannot show those on OTA TV (but you can on subscription stations like AT-X). Thus the argument that it was censored in Japan doesn't really mean anything since it was only to conform to OTA broadcast regulations.
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Stmurda23



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:10 am Reply with quote
uh huh......
ok so if the viewers think its obscene and child porn then its illega, but the thing is a great deal of us dont see it as child porn so it cant be, its a matter of opinion not matter of fact there for it cant be proven if it is or isn't, there fore the fact that they're doing extra work to edit the material is just a waste of time.
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:13 am Reply with quote
Simply put, people don't like censorship. People don't like to censor Mein Kampf; people don't like to censor Bin Laden; people don't like to censor The Turner Diaries.

Also, the majority determines the rules in the community.


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Stmurda23



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:13 am Reply with quote
Tuor_of_Gondolin wrote:
Rinkwolf,

Then the answer is to make it a Mature rated title so that impressionable young children should not be watching it. The title isn't aimed at young children; of course, I don't think Death Note was aimed at young children, either.

But, among adults at least, people are responsible for their own actions. It doesn't matter whether or not they were influence by anime, by their parents, or by tea leaves: if someone molests a child, *they* are to blame, and they should be punished accordingly. I'm generalizing, but I think you get what I'm saying.


agree 100% on this^
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ikillchicken



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:14 am Reply with quote
egoist wrote:
ikillchicken wrote:
And yet you keep posting.

I might just quote myself from somewhere else:
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I won't go away at all! The more you dislike me, the more you'll see me around. Everything works the other way round with me, everything. I mean, just look at that thread we're posting at. Man, it's filled with ignorance; I just love to deal with ignorance.

I certainly do!

But I wouldn't nitpick if we didn't have half posters saying absolutely the same. I certainly wouldn't.


So basically, you're openly admitting to talking out both sides of your ass and deliberately trying to rile people up. Fine. Enjoy your trolling. I'll have no part in it.
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egoist



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:20 am Reply with quote
ikillchicken wrote:
So basically, you're openly admitting to talking out both sides of your ass and deliberately trying to rile people up. Fine. Enjoy your trolling. I'll have no part in it.

Oh, ikillchicken. You've unrevealed my true, and dirty intentions. Plus 10 bonus attack power. Besides this is the last time you'll speak to me like this, understood? I never took the liberty of acting rudely towards you, and I expect the same.
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sypherman



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:20 am Reply with quote
I wasn't going to get involved ,really I wasn't but some things need to be said. First things first I hate censorship, it smacks of thought crimes and police states and all that other 1984 big brother garbage. That's not whats happening here, were not going back to the dark ages of digital bikinis and "getting sent to the next dimension "chillax it's going to be alright. We may not like it but funi made a judgement call on this to cover themselves, not to deny us topless loli vampires or to champion some moral crusade it's just business.Me personally i'm going to drop funi an e-mail to let them know i'd prefer an uncensored version of this title, maybe i'll get everyone I know to drop them one as well. If we approach them firmly and rationally maybe we can reach an accommodation that satisfies everyone.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:26 am Reply with quote
Hon'ya-chan wrote:
Blood- wrote:
By the way, posting a quote, a graphic and nothing else is lame.




Keep it up, chuckles. That's just the kind of deliberate trolling that could possibly get you tempbanned (assuming an admin actually sees it). And gosh, what an intellectual loss that would be.

keikanki wrote:
Blood- wrote:
It's got nothing to do with moral authority - again it's just common sense. Are you telling me you would let somebody babysit minors in your care if you knew that they actively sought out material, whether live-action or animated, for the purpose of deriving titillation from underage characters? If that's true, I certainly hope you are never in the position to make a decision like that.


I'm sorry, but I don't understand the relevance of the hypothetical situation you're describing.


My point has nothing really to due with the topic at hand. If you remember, it was a response to somebody who posed the question of whether or not viewing drawings could make you a pedo.

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Really, I'd like to know, what change do you really hope to bring about through broad restrictions on what multimedia content your friends, neighbors and fellow citizens can see and own? What gives someone a right to parent other adults?


First, I'm not in favour of the edits Funi is making. But I completely understand why they are doing them given the N.A. hysteria over "child porn." Remember a few years ago when some guy was arrested because he had some photos developed at Wal-Mart that showed his children naked in the bath or something? That's the climate that Funi is operating in. I don't believe for a second that Funi believes this material is harmful to you or anybody else. I think they are afraid of a potential backlash from some crusading politician trying to make hay.

You and some other people seem to have this idea that we live in a libertarian paradise where anything goes. There are all kinds of limits on free speech - some defensible, some not. But if you consider the minor edits that Funi is doing on DitVB as "broad restrictions" then we don't have much common ground for discussion, that's for sure.


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MokonaModoki



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:28 am Reply with quote
egoist wrote:
MokonaModoki wrote:
Are you just being deliberately obtuse, or did you really fail to grasp that the words describe material which is specifically legally NOT child pornography?

Even though I deliberately did, would you be able to confirm that it's obscene not because of its connections to child pornography, but because of something else, would you? Obscenity could be found in many things, including your average porn film, so why aren't those illegal as well? Clearly, that's the government's way of calling that child pornography while giving the population a nice dribble?

Because I understand the history of the legislation I already know that is *exactly* the purpose of the legislation. I also know that by well-established precedent mere nudity is not in and of itself a sexual activity (no matter how obscene some people apparently find it).
Which means that every attempt to tie edits to this show to some sort of legal maneuvering around Handley are just silly. The law is not an issue with this show. At all.
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egoist



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:37 am Reply with quote
MokonaModoki wrote:
egoist wrote:
MokonaModoki wrote:
Are you just being deliberately obtuse, or did you really fail to grasp that the words describe material which is specifically legally NOT child pornography?

Even though I deliberately did, would you be able to confirm that it's obscene not because of its connections to child pornography, but because of something else, would you? Obscenity could be found in many things, including your average porn film, so why aren't those illegal as well? Clearly, that's the government's way of calling that child pornography while giving the population a nice dribble?

Because I understand the history of the legislation I already know that is *exactly* the purpose of the legislation. I also know that by well-established precedent mere nudity is not in and of itself a sexual activity (no matter how obscene some people apparently find it).
Which means that every attempt to tie edits to this show to some sort of legal maneuvering around Handley are just silly. The law is not an issue with this show. At all.

You understand it, and that's perfectly fine. What I see as silly in this case, is that the government is locking down on drawn images, and not Funi's decision about editing such content out. Furthermore, hitting a tree's branches won't solve any problems, unless they first take care of its roots. And saying that there's no legal issues tied to this incident at all sounds like no more than an assumption to me.
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